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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (10 children)

I wonder why nobody is considering the most obvious solution to all this complication around what is NSFW and what is not: Children shouldn't be on these platforms at all to begin with. They shouldn't be anywhere near social media until age 14. Definitely not free roaming everywhere on the internet.

For us adults, I honestly cannot say whether moderation instigated by a company is better than moderation instigated by the users. The devil is in the details. This place isn't moderated by a company and you'd probably think the moderation here is superior to Meta's.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 minutes ago

This is something parents should decide. They should know what kinds of content their kids will be exposed to, and decide when they're ready. This isn't something we should expect platforms or governments to decide.

Some parents will make terrible choices, but I think that's less bad than what's necessary to enforce either a ban or content moderation. I see nothing good coming from that longer term.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I disagree with this point.

I used the internet extensively as a minor to socialize and find friends and to be exposed to viewpoints different from those of my peers. If I only had my peers to socialize with, things would have been much worse off for me. I found kind and supportive influences as a minor that kept me away from the hate/conservatism/fascism that many of my classmates descended into. I learned about the world and gained skills that made me a more well-rounded person. I even met up in person with thousands of strangers and had a grand time.

I see the gatekeeping of minors from internet spaces and worry about the impact that would have had on me and my development as a young person. If I hadn't been welcomed as a minor online, I would not have been welcomed anywhere.

That said, I stayed the hell away from corporate spyware like facebook and twitter that only serve to reinforce existing problematic systems, expose people to the toxic IRL social environments that they may otherwise be trying to escape, and amplify the kind of hatred and bigotry that I personally was evading.

I miss the old internet where kids were safe. I don't think that the solution is to ban kids; the solution is to ban platforms and profiteering incentive structures that create unsafe environments. The kids are the canaries in a coal mine. If the canary isn't doing well, you don't just ban it and keep digging: you get the hell out and find somewhere else to be.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I understand this sentiment because I had a similar story growing up, but I've had to come to terms that the internet of that era does not exist anymore.

Now we have these corporations who made it their goal to algorithmically trick you into spending more and more time engaged with their website for ad revenue, not caring how angry or misinformed people get in the meantime. It used to be a place we could escape to, but has turned into just another echo chamber/prison and worst of all - we're addicted to it.

I think places like Mastodon and the Fediverse can help bridge this gap, but on the whole, the internet is just not a safe place for developing brains anymore.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 33 minutes ago

I agree with your final sentence applied to any corporate-owned website operating for profit, as long as you remove the word "developing".

The solution isn't to ban kids, it's to ban the toxic sites, practices, and incentive structures.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm with you on this. My childhood church was christo-fascist, and it was my wide wanderings on the web that showed me a different way was possible.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I found kind and supportive influences as a minor that kept me away from the hate/conservatism/fascism that many of my classmates descended into.

Do you think your classmates found those influences from somewhere outside the internet? At least in Europe, the alt-right has been way more efficient at reaching young people online, especially boys and men.

I'm also talking about 15-20 years ago.

The influences I had were furries (queers), science/scifi nerds, academics, service members of the military who were otherwise separated from community, etc. The internet brought us together.

It was that or rural Florida where if you went outside and got stabbed by one of those poison palm you'd just get told that those have to be there because they kept the slaves from escaping the circus in the good old days.

What you're talking about with kids today is what I mean about them being canaries.

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[–] roawn@feddit.uk 24 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Posts with LGBTQ+ hashtags including #lesbian, #bisexual, #gay, #trans, #queer, #nonbinary, #pansexial, #transwomen, #Tgirl, #Tboy, #Tgirlsarebeautiful, #bisexualpride, #lesbianpride, and dozens of others were hidden for any users who had their sensitive content filter turned on. Teenagers have the sensitive content filter turned on by default.

Kids wont even know what they will lose with his representation going missing on Instagram. So depressing. Wish that lizard freak the worst.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wait, Pro-LGBT speech IS NOT allowed!?!?! Holy fucking shit, this isn't a cesspool, it's an execution by firing squad.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 minutes ago

That's a misreading of the headline. Pro-LGBT speech IS allowed, but often suppressed.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I guess advertisers have no issues with Meta’s changes. Interesting. A few years ago, they’d be falling over themselves to signal that “hate has no place here”. But it is no longer profitable to be LGBTQ+ so let the hateful bell ring.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 101 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (24 children)

~~LGBTQ+~~ Everyone, but LGBTQ+ people especially need to get the the fuck off of Meta services now, they've showed what side they're on.

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