If the options are Stalin or capitalism, then capitalism would be a clear winner even if it's shit because Stalin and his ideology still has the 2 issues from the first panel but on top of that he would execute anyone with an actual good system.
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If we change anything, Stalin will personally come and steal your toothbrush.
What's up with you and toothbrushes? I swear there's a comment about toothbrushes on each tankie garbage post on this instance.
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Not a fan of capitalism, but enough with the tankie garbage
Do you even know what Tankie means, or do you just like throwing around useless labels?
This is pretty standard left wing stuff, tankie garbage would be like: "we need to create a dictatorship of the proletariat to prevent climate change"
Edit: well maybe it might be a little bit tankie from the last bit
No, that's still just being leftist. Tankie shit is "kill all who disagree with the revolution".
I'm not pro-russia
You can be against reflexive non-sequitor defenses of capitalism without being a tankie. The last panel could have been "no, because the free market always corrects itself" and the meaning would have been the same.
"Communism" does not describe any nation on Earth today, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
Most of the "communist" (and "capitalist") nations in the world are run by a small number of greedy, brutal assholes who have concentrated their entire nation's wealth into an elite 1%. NONE of them believe in anything beyond money.
This is naive. Having grown up in a post communist country I know better than to fall for empty propaganda. You don't know what you're asking for calling out on communism as your saving grace. Communism didn't allow for any valie creation and the system was too rigid to respond to people's needs as economy was preplanned in 5 year intervals. Chronic shortages. Full employment was required by law but quality of life remained stagnant. Capitalism has its pitfalls too. The best outcome lays somewhere in the middle of the two
I'm not advocating for communism, and a political crisis of an authoritarian/totalitarian regime is a different problem from communism. Capitalism has a lot of problems, and I agree that there should be a better in-between to mitigate inequalities. Socialism is soluble in capitalism.
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Ah yes, I remember the USSR being known for being very environmentally friendly
How many people has capitalism killed?
Millions, easily.
British East India Company, one of the first publicly traded entities, commited a couple of genocides before Marx even shit his first nappie. So capitalism got a nice head start in.
Billions.
Including social murder? Several billions.
Billions.
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Russia is a massive gas exporter. How is climate change a capitalist issue? At least we can report on it in the West without falling out a window.
Russia is a capitalist oligopoly tho?
They were pumping that gas way before modern Russia.
As you are writing this comment, is Russia is a communist country?
Regulating capitalism entails limiting capitalist ideology. It's simple.
As you are writing this comment, did Russia only start pumping and burning fossil fuels? No, they've done so for decades, regardless of name change. Economic ideology has nothing to do with global warming. It's inherit with basic human activity in every country. Operate factories? Impact. Meat farms? Impact. Military activities? Impact.
It is amazing how many of you can't grasp this.
At least planned economies can centralize and organize how society reduces consumption and carbon, for example if the Chinese governments says "less car more bus", it happens very quickly and people don't complain like babies in a SUV like in western countries.
It's immensely more difficult to do with a capitalist country where advertising is everywhere because consumers are being sold a dream of infinite growth.
Economic ideology has nothing to do with global warming.
Yes it does. Liberal ideology and the push for competition without oversight generate a disorganized chaos where people fend for themselves, without regards for the common interest.
Democracy is short term system, Tocqueville talks about it. Democracy is all fine and dandy when you have abundant energy, but it becomes difficulty where you need to add physical constraints.
the push for competition without oversight generate a disorganized chaos
And Communism doesn't have this very issue? Russia and China have done immense damage to the environment as well. Industrializing a nation does damage. Maybe you can mitigate it, but I don't believe a system involving humans would ever achieve it. Whatever basis you use to run things, it causes problems, because everyone wants progress.
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