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Simple question really! Are any of you running a Custom ROM? Furthermore, are any of you running a De-Googled ROM?

Why do you run your custom ROM, and what are the drawbacks?

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[–] kadu@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When I was a teenager, I'd probably change my ROM 3 times a day. Spent more time in the recovery mode than using my phones.

As a working adult... I wouldn't even know the names of any modern custom ROMs.

[–] itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

This is me. That rush when a new ROM booted for the first time, or the panic when you're not sure if you've just softbricked your phone.

Bugs? You tell me!

[–] kratoz29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a working adult... I wouldn't even know the names of any modern custom ROMS.

And there are psychos like me that changed their custom ROM in the work... Ahh, that thrill to mess it up and lose your device for several hours until getting home.

[–] dipbeneaththelasers@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is obviously a sign you need to be medicated

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[–] Hubi@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, I bought a Pixel 6 specifically to run GrapheneOS. I can proudly say that every single app on my phone is open source, no GSM and no Google. I don't really mind paying a company like Google for the phone, I just don't want to hand them my data.

[–] WeThePilgrims@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Yup same here. Two profiles, one is my daily driver and open source, they other is for the few apps I need with Google services. This is the perfect compromise between what I want, and what I need.

[–] SillyBanana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds neat. But what all the services that require proprietary app? Like banking, Uber, reviews on Google Maps etc.?

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

you can use web apps for banking, uber
although uber and most banking apps work on grapheneos, check this community verified list https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

for reviews, you can use gmaps webview https://f-droid.org/packages/us.spotco.maps/

for navigation maps, you can use openstreetmap like magic earth and organic maps

if you think osm doesn't have enough data of your area, then you can use herewego maps, its another proprietary map, but is a bit better than google on privacy

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

The only thing out of all these I personally use is online banking and I do that from my PC at home. For reviews on Google maps I could theoretically just use it in my browser.

[–] ed_cock@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, I'd rather fuck around with custom ROMs than endure the user-hostile crapware that most vendors bundle. I'd also rather try to make an app work despite safety net or whatever not passing out of the box than not have any defenses against the dumb bullshit software vendors put in their apps. I'd rather go back to a feature phone than live with a walled garden full of spyware and ads.

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

CyanogenMod user since the 6.x days, currently running LineageOS 20.

I like my phones to work and be usable. I stayed on the stock ROM for my OnePlus 8T for 2 years and went right back to LineageOS.

Manufacturers just can't make ROMs that work correctly without bullshit.

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[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Been running CalyxOS for 3 years. Compile it myself from source with some extra tweaks and such. I've even got a nice build server going that automatically compiles builds monthly and pushes updates to my phone via OTAs. It was a little work to get set up, but now it doesn't feel any different from the stock Android experience.

It started because I was tired of all the unchecked spying Google does, and I wanted to get away from that. But now I can never go back to "regular" Android, because the vendor bloat in "stock" ROMs is incessant, and I am maintaining patches for quite a few features Google has either removed, or never supported in the first place (2-button navigation, AM/PM clock, automatic call recording).

Honestly, there hasn't been any drawbacks. The phone works perfectly, calls are fine, it runs great, and I haven't needed Google Play Services for basically anything. My banking app still works. I don't use Google Pay so I don't really care that it doesn't work. Android wearOS doesn't work, but at this point Google has dropped the ball so severely, I don't have the motivation to bother with a smartwatch.

Most of my paid apps continue to work without patches, and I get them from Aurora Store. For the ones that don't work, I just patch them myself to remove the license checks. I paid for them, so I should be able to use them regardless of what ROM I use.

[–] dipbeneaththelasers@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn dude, self compiling with your own OTAs is rad as hell. Kudos to you for getting and keeping that running.

Thanks! But I can't take all the credit. Calyx maintains the OTA updater and it's very configurable. Just change the domain name, make sure your webserver has all the right files, and you're off!

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[–] Professional_Human@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, running crDroid on my Redmi Note 10 Pro

Works for me without any issues and I even got the banking apps to work using magisk delta

[–] inspector@gadgetro.id 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Magisk Delta? Been away from the custom ROM scene for too long now, is Magisk Cloak no longer a thing?

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[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 7 points 1 year ago

I have a lineage phone I keep on dial and I was using graphene OS for a minute but

The thing is that I live by my phone. Passwords, banking, pretty much the entirety of my actual life daily. I think graphene OS is great! But I also don't have time or a the ability to have an AI review the codebase to validate that what I'm putting on my phone is safe. The truth is that these are unpaid strangers making a great product who's work Im not a subject matter expert in. Android is a large codebase. I'm friends with a guy who works on it full time and even he feels lost sometimes. So I reversed my phone back to stock Android for my daily driver.

If I'm doing better financially in a few months I'll likely buy another pixel phone or try fair phone with graphene. I just can't justify the purchase right now and my phone works fine.

Just a reminder if you like these projects, donate to them!. I dropped about $1000 on open source stuff over the last year to include joplin, EFF, vueJS, graphene, lineage, and quasarJS. Every one of them does great work.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sadly not anymore because I need my banking apps to work reliably. Making them work isn't the biggest problem, but I'll never know when an update blindsides me and breaks something.

On a sidenote, I'd really like to know why banks think that an ancient phone that hasn't seen a security update in years is somehow more secure than an up-to-date Lineage or GrapheneOS.

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[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

not anymore....

i used to screw around with custom ROMs all the time. mostly AOKP and cyanogenmod... but then phones started getting picky about rooting... things like camera stopped working or not working to full capabilities...

also i was installIing "[NEWEST SHINY] KERNEL 4.1.1 (L33T SCHEDULER, FASTEST PERFORMANCE!!!111)" like every week, but that got really tiring.

edit: i just noticed AOKP is dead... so sad. anyone know what happened?

[–] danielbln@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I used to muck around with custom roms in the early 2010s, but at some point the Galaxy UI stopped bring horrible and I needed my phone to be available at all times, that's when I stopped.

[–] UnusMundus@feddit.nu 6 points 1 year ago

I run GrapheneOS without any Google Play Services. I don't want to be locked into any software and I selfhost all my backups except having encrypted backups in one cloud provider for very important things to keep them off-site.

Most of the things people generally would consider drawbacks like lack of google assistant, chrome, play store, youtube etc. I consider to be a positive thing. I am in mostly full control of permissions and I have a siloed work user when I do need to access Slack and other apps for company use.

[–] Duallight@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm running lineage OS on my moto one 5g ace. Main reason was to upgrade it to the most recent version of android, since it wasn't getting any updates beyond 11. No drawbacks here, haven't run into any bugs or anything. But I'm also not a power user or anything, just trying to extend the life of my phone

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[–] Thoxy@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oneplus 7 Pro + Crdroid 9.5 + Magisk + LSPosed and my safetynet is green Google pay / bank app work and L1 DRM certificate work for netflix/prime...

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[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

yes, grapheneos on pixel 7

I think custom Roms respects us a lot more than stock is which treats us like product

[–] linuxisfun@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel 5, even though I didn't want to use Custom ROMs anymore.

I run it mainly because of sandboxed Play Services (i. e. Google services running as a user application with much less capabilities, instead of a system application, like with the factory image) and the additional functionality, which includes the ability to revoke network and sensor permissions for any app.

One of the reasons I decided to flash it, instead of remaining on the factory image, was that it behaves like the factory image once it is installed. Meaning the bootloader is closed and I don't have to ever worry about updates (manually flashing the latest firmware files or the latest gapps, etc.). It even has automatic system updates, meaning it installs system updates whenever I am not using the phone. So while I'm asleep my phone is updating itself and the next morning I start the day with the latest GrapheneOS release. Very convenient!

I still download apps primarily from the Play Store (auto updates also work for those apps!) and use F-Droid only for apps that aren't available there (due to F-Droid signing most apps with their own key). But, since the Play Services and the Play Store run as a user app, I am at least able to take all permissions away from them, which should reduce the amount of data that can be collected by them.

There are drawbacks though, one of them is the lack of Pixel features. Those missing features include adaptive charging and sound output improvements, which results in degraded speaker quality on GrapheneOS, especially with newer Pixel phones (verified on a Pixel 7).

In the future I hope to ditch Android altogether on my main phone and switch to a Linux phone (and have a cheap Android phone, or a compatibility layer, for disrespectful companies, like banks or EV charging providers, that force me to install an Android or iOS app), but I haven't seen the right Linux phone hardware for me yet. I plan to replace my Pixel 5 when Android 15 releases (as Android 14 is the last major update for it), so maybe I can switch to a Linux phone by then. :)

I'm using Evolution X because MIUI just sucks and my phone won't be updated to android 13 anyway. The drawbacks are banking apps of course and the fact that i could lose my internal storage data if i forget to flash disable forced encryption.

[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I was rom hopping like crazy on my Xiaomi phone trying to get the perfect privacy setup. Eventually I got tired of microG's lack of compatibility and the serious security issues rooting and leaving the bootloader unlocked caused so I sold the Xiaomi and got a Pixel to run GrapheneOS on. Best decision ever. GrapheneOS is freaking awesome. Secure and private, and all my apps just works. It's so stable, muuuuch better than stock. I think I've found my endgame and I'm never using any other custom ROM again.

[–] kbity@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Been using LineageOS with microG on my phone for the last couple of years out of a general distrust for Google, using open-source apps in place of the Google ones. My phone stopped getting OEM updates after Android 12, so being able to use Android 13 through LineageOS is a plus. Main downsides are that some apps don't play nice with microG and that unlocking the bootloader makes banking apps stop working.

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[–] Chaphasilor@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Just upgraded to a Zenfone 10 so running OOB for now, it's close enough to stock for me.
Before that, I extended the lifespan of my OnePlus 5 to 6 years by running custom ROMs. Most recently I was running PixelExperience and had a really great time. I used to care a lot about customization, but PE had sensible defaults and I didn't feel the need to customize a whole lot.

Worst part about running unmodified stock is that I'm not rooted any more. It's been bugging me less than I'd imagined, but there are some things (like backups) that simply won't work anymore...

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I use Lineage on a Pixel 5 since I switched back from an iPhone a few months ago. My intention was to run Graphene or Calyx, but I can't get wifi calling working without gapps installed, even with Graphene's sandboxed play services and the dialer. I think ATT Prepaid is using the new wifi calling negotiation that Google implemented in Android 12. I have zero coverage from any carrier for miles around me, so wifi calling is pretty critical. So I installed mindthegapps, enabled wifi calling, and then disabled all the Google stuff again. I didn't want root, so I'm not too thrilled with this situation.

I'll be switching to T-Mobile/Mint or Verizon/US Mobile in the next few months, so I'll try again then. But I'm seriously considering getting a Light Phone. Then I'll use a Pixel Tablet with Graphene/Calyx and a Garmin Fenix for handling music, calendar/email, hike mapping, browsing/media while lounging, maybe a work account, etc. I'm also considering just limiting the software footprint on the Pixel, but.. that's too easy to override on a whim.

Another option is a Unihertz Jelly Star, so the screen is too small to do much. I'd really like Spotify in the car, and mostly just my downloaded daily/weekly playlists since I have such limited cell coverage. I'm not entirely sure if the Fenix can play to the head unit over Bluetooth.

I suspect the decades of infinite scroll is destroying my attention span and already limited emotional response, which is combining with my autism to put me in a place of pretty much near constant burnout. That leaves me on the cusp of meltdown at all times, it's not a good place to be. Luckily reddit gave me an excuse to do what I'd been leaning towards for over a year, and there isn't such an overload of content over here yet.

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

No, for the same reasons as another commentator said: I don't want to be locked out of a Safety Net-enabled app when I need it. Ran with LineageOS back in the day though, and it was a really nice experience.

[–] ChristianWS@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks to Treble I'm using LineageOS. My device, a Redmi Note 10, doesn't officially have the ROM, and for my use case the GSI version is good enough

[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. They're just better on a budget device like mine.

GrapheneOS on Pixel 6a

[–] AAR@rdr.lol 3 points 1 year ago

I'm using a Google Pixel and for awhile I was using stock, mostly just because after having custom roms on my previous devices I didn't want to have to deal with trying to get apps to work, I was building my unofficial lineage to get some tweaks I wanted. However I'm back to using Lineage again.

[–] ConditionOverload@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

10 or so years ago yeah. Used to run CyanogenMod nightlies hah.

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LineageOS, withoutgooglwe play services the drawbacks are some apps don't have a notification support (some have that live 24/7 notification to make it work, but most don't have that).

Picked LineageOS for the privacy features and how easy it is to run commands (I literally just had to copy and paste commands, one at a time, no hiccups)

[–] Shading7104@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also on LineageOS but I am on the MicroG build that emulates google play services.

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Lineage 18 on my bacon!

Daily driving it

[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I daily drive a custom ROM with (sandboxed) gapps (currently crdroid, but also spark os, cherish os, voltage and others). I also have a tablet (old galaxy tab A) running lineage without gapps, which I use for reading ebooks.

I can't imagine returning to stock roms. The inconsistencies, various hacks, apps not respecting your settings and privacy invading software. What a nightmare!

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