Privacy
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
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- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don't promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
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Well I won't visit a site that is full of ads now without an ad blocker, so why would the fact that o can't block the ads change my mind. As soon as a site blocks content for having an ad blocker or immediately starts popping up tons of stuff that's nearly impossible to close, I leave.
Can someone give me an easy to understand example of what they are proposing? Assume that I don’t allow them to install any software/tool that helps them track me/my device.
I saw this comment and found it helpful but its still not clear to me
At its core, it establishes software components called "attesters" that decide whether your device and/or browser is "trustworthy" enough - as defined by the website you are trying to visit. Websites can enforce which "attesters" users must accept, simply by denying everybody access who refuses to bow down to this regime; or who uses attesters that are deemed "inappropriate"; or who is on a platform that does not provide any attesters the website finds "acceptable".
In short: it is specifically designed to destroy the open web by denying you the right to use whatever browser you want to use, on whatever operating system. It is next-level "DRM", introduced by affiliates of a company that already has monopolized the browser market. And the creators of this "proposal" absolutely know what they are attempting here.
It's basically how widevine works. The hardware "secure" boots the OS, and the OS only loads signed code. And there is a chain of custody all the way to the hardware, so the software that communicates with the server can attest that it is the same as what they expect.
The simple explanation is that they wish to further erode property ownership by the proletariat by locking down operating systems such that they can't do as their owners wish, but only what the corporation wants.
Non-goals [...] Enforce or interfere with browser functionality, including plugins and extensions. [...]
But guys they gave their pinky promise it's totally fine
let's just allow them to irreversibly make this change so that there is nothing preventing them from applying this totally Non-Goals in the future what could happen
Also
Challenges and threats to address
[...] Tracking users’ browser history User agents will not provide any browsing information to attesters when requesting a token. We are researching an issuer-attester split that prevents the attester from tracking users at scale, while allowing for a limited number of attestations to be inspected for debugging—with transparency reporting and auditability [...]
Cross-site tracking
While attestation tokens will not include information to identify unique users, the attestation tokens themselves could enable cross-site tracking if they are re-used between sites. For example, two colluding sites could work out that the same user visited their sites if a token contains any unique cryptographic keys and was shared between their sites.
Good to see where your priorities lie in terms of user protection when deciding to launch this into conversation. Dude idk we'll fix it later don't worry bro
why are they trying to restrict and control the internet? on the plus side I guess I'll go outside more, touch grass, forget this crap exists and enjoy other facets of life. It's just sad to see it be transformed into this pile of crap.
That also destroys the openess of the design. They already DRMed up the media, why the whole page? It will kill transparency completely
Companies like google should really not have so much power. I have stopped using chrome 1 year ago, and i am thinking about switching to a browser that doesn´t use chromium.
“Privacy considerations: Todo”
https://rupertbenwiser.github.io/Web-Environment-Integrity/#privacy
Before everyone starts complaining, remember:
This is for the ads. There are millions of starving ads on the internet right now. For just a click and load a day on every ad you see you too can help a billion dollar company survive.
Here are the github repository, issues and comments immortalised for posterity in IPFS:
- ipfs://QmeeRa15gofL1UGxMGgb9vnv6VjA8MmNBNxPeAxB36KsNT/
- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmeeRa15gofL1UGxMGgb9vnv6VjA8MmNBNxPeAxB36KsNT/
- https://bafybeihsjcljogr7k25knn6nsivwegas53ouko6pzmqtnzgqncrwwexeiq.ipfs.dweb.link/
The issues and comments are in github json format -- if anyone wants to collate them into a human-readable text or html file, please do so.
Edit: Its immortality of course depends on you to access and pin the content.
Makes me want to donate to Firefox, not the Mozilla Foundation. To Firefox.
"Please click on all the crosswalks before you can enter this site"
This is why people pirate things.
What a bunch of scumbags.
Wow. This rubs me the wrong way. Hope there's a way to crush this....