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The Florida Board of Education approved a new set of standards for teaching African American history in the state.

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[–] Creamatine@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Racism is heating up as fast as the planet

[–] pizza_rolls@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure these people were always racist, they just found out there's a bunch of other people being quietly racist who will back up their shitty decisions and then they became more brazen.

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the people that gave us "we did a favor to the Japanese by nuking them", get ready for... "slavery benefited the slaves."

Not surprised at all.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let's be perfectly clear: The US was destroying large Japanese cities and their occupants at the same scale as Hiroshima and Nagasaki for some time, just with less efficiency, and much of the Japanese populace was prepared to fight to the death with shovels and sticks.

I'm not saying that the atomic bombs were a good thing; I'm just pointing out that they weren't particularly worse than what the US was already doing, and prepared to continue doing. And that in the moment, a display of such offensive power could be argued to be a quicker way to end the war, and prevent having to do a ground invasion of the home islands. With today's hindsight, we can definitely see clearly the other local and global repercussions of nuclear weapons, which makes the US having used them carry many different connotations.

But that's likely not even the whole reason nuclear bombs were used in 1945. The USSR were only grudingly allied with the US, because they needed help early on in the European theater. Well before the bombs were dropped, the Soviets had ramped up their military strength and were running roughshod over eastern Europe. Germany had already surrendered, and USSR looked towards the east, taking over Manchuria and Korea, with the Korean peninsula split at the 38th parallel at Potsdam, before the Korean War.

The US wanted to use the bomb as a deterrent to the Soviets, and using atomic bombs in Japan in 1945 accomplished that goal, as well as reducing the expense and risk to US military forces already at war, without increasing the effects on the ground very much. Japan's surrender had plenty to do with making the decision on who to surrender to, with the preference being the US and not the USSR. But Japan did not want to surrender unconditionally, they wanted to ensure that the Imperial government could do so while saving face, and probably while not also being imprisoned or killed. It's likely that Japan would have surrendered with or without any atomic bombs, certainly without the second one.

But the US needed to demonstrate to the world, particularly to Stalin, that they could build as many atomic bombs as they wanted, and that came from dropping a second one in quick succession after the first.

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you were taught this in an American school, right?

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

No, we never even got all the way through WW1 in school around these parts.

[–] Wooster@startrek.website 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Florida Department of Education says the new standards don’t teach that slavery was beneficial.

However, one of the benchmarks (SS.68.AA.2.3) states students will be taught, “how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”

Either this is some very unfortunate phrasing for establishing that people like Phillis Wheatley are required material (and even then it was less ‘thanks to’ and more ‘in spite of’) or something more nefarious is afoot.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Don't think I need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out the answer to that question

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Sorry, why are we giving florida right wingers the benefit of the doubt? In full context this is obviously nefarious.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah I live here & had the unfortunate opportunity to hear the Dept of Ed try to spin this in an interview. Their spokesperson said, to paraphrase, that "No, of course not. These standards are evenhanded and show the good and the bad from an objective perspective."

Of who? I am just so sad - my oldest kids made it though during the brief shining period of good education in my county, but I have one with a couple of years left, who is seeing it plunge back into the bullshit 'education' that was what I suffered through. Just butts in seats, indoctrinate don't educate, that might lead to thinking.

[–] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Devils advocate: it was beneficial to white slave owners.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You could make that argument. Florida Republicans are teaching children that the slaves benefited personally because they learned skills they could use.

[–] Telorand@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Capitalism works best when it consumes labor for free...

...so, maybe it's time we got a new economic system.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Just saw that state off and shove it into the ocean. It'll only get worse.

Well it did technically benefit certain people.

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