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LoglineUhura seems to be the only one who can hear a strange sound. When the noise triggers terrifying hallucinations, she enlists an unlikely assistant to help her track down the source.

Written by Onitra Johnson & David Reed

Directed by Dan Liu

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[–] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

An okay episode.

Finally Una got to do something instead of being completely on the sidelines. The whole ensemble got something to do, except Ortegas who slowly turns into SNW's Travis Mayweather: that one cast member that is just there physically but doesn't get anything to do.

My personal highlight was the scene were Spock and Chapel play chess, and he passive-aggressively pushes her to play faster. Very Vulcan.

What irked me: everyone and their mother immediately started calling the First Officer of another Starfleet ship by his first name. That was weird.

Another weird thing was Pike's promotion to Fleet Captain. We've never seen this in Star Trek, particularly not when it's just two ships on a mission. So I checked the transcript of The Menagerie were Kirk speaks about the one time he met Captain Pike. And there it is:

MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.

SNW's producers were sneaky with that one. I'm both annoyed and impressed.

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My personal highlight was the scene were Spock and Chapel play chess, and he passive-aggressively pushes her to play faster. Very Vulcan.

My favourite scene too. I am glad they only got one scene together this episode to avoid it veering too hard into the soapy relationshipy aspects after last week. But damn those are two well-written, well-acted characters with insane chemistry - they gave them one scene together, playing chess no less, and it stole the whole episode.

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[–] angstrom@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole ensemble got something to do, except Ortegas who slowly turns into SNW’s Travis Mayweather: that one cast member that is just there physically but doesn’t get anything to do.

I get the feeling the writers don't really know what to do with Ortegas beyond that she "flies the ship".

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[–] felixxx999@startrek.website 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nurse Chapel fiddling with a butt plug while playing with Spock. I will show myself out.

[–] larchy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

They 100% knew

[–] electrorocket@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Ribbed for his pleasure.

[–] ikesau@startrek.website 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zombie Hemmer was freaky! Nicely done, wardrobe/makeup.

This clearly took a lot from TNG's Night Terrors right? A bit of Firefly's Bushwhacked in there too.

I liked it overall, but my favourite Star Trek episodes are when the crew gets to use their extreme competency to overcome a difficult challenge. This episode, the crew was... not so competent.

  • Una's team can't identify that there's been sabotage even though it's just like, phaser blasts from a half-deranged man
  • The dude easily escapes from sick bay and blows up a nacelle (had the stun setting not been invented yet? What about locked doors?)
  • There's no way the medical team could keep Uhura around and try to do some tests when she's having an episode, they can only put on the brain scan screensaver
  • They can't shut down the dang refinery! The lever's stuck and they're out of WD-40!
  • Pike blows up the quadrillion dollar infrastructure project immediately, not even just targeted laser blasts to the parts that are doing the murder. The whole thing has to blow up.

I guess this is just trek being trek and I shouldn't take it so seriously. Emotionally, the crew was at the top of their game: intuitive, perceptive, empathetic, trusting. good stuff.

But yeah, I feel like I would have enjoyed this more had the problem been made more difficult instead of the crew less capable.

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[–] Acid@startrek.website 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Overall a solid episode, a little different but ultimate felt very core Star Trek TOS with strange alien life and coming to a resolution.

Paul Wesley continues to impress me in the role of James T Kirk but his character did not need to be in this episode, they need to be careful with how they use him going forward.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ramon froze pretty quickly out there in space. Wasn’t it only a couple of weeks ago this show was trying to convince us people could survive in space without a suit for two whole minutes?

[–] kargarocP4@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah star trek right now really can't seem to decide whether "space is cold" or not.

Of course, that's because the truth has just alittle bit of nuance to it, and nuance is hard for writers.
Space can be cold, depending on where you are, but its also barely even there. No atmosphere means no convection, and that means you're gonna be losing heat much too slowly for it to be your number one problem if you've just been spaced without a suit.

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[–] zpm@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

He was extra warm too before getting to empty space. Larger differential in temperature.

[–] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was gearing up for a Gorn episode and they faked us all out!

I liked it thy gave most of the cast (sorry Ortegas) screentime and moved a lot of side plots a small amount.

Moderately bummed they retroactively made Thor (George Kirk) seem like a less good father, though.

[–] RootBeerGuy@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

I was gearing up for a Gorn episode and they faked us all out!

Yeah, totally. I mean building a gas station right next to Gorn space and all you got there is 2 starships, what could go wrong. Turns out its not Gorn.

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[–] adamlauver@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I loved this episode. Some really great relationship progress... Chapel/Spock, Uhura/Kirk, Kirk/Kirk, Kirk/La'an, Pelia/Una, even a taste of Kirk/Spock at the end. Pike exhibiting remarkable and badass trust in his bridge crew. And Hemmer lingering over it all in such a bittersweet way. I was so here for all of it. And I actually thought the reveal about the aliens in the deuterium burning out Uhura and Ramon's "receivers" was a super cool sci-fi concept. Might be my favorite episode of the season so far to be honest!

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[–] ThrowawayInTheYear23@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] theothersparrow@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A Short Trek with them bickering, please.

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[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Pike once again demonstrates his faith in the crew without second guessing Uhuras decisions. What a boss.

[–] notverylearnedhand@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fantastic episode. Great to see Bruce Horak back.

I was a little thrown by the interactions between Sam and Kirk, and Una and Pelia. Their early scenes kind of felt pissy in a way you don't usually see in star trek.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nice to see Bruce Horak back, but very much want more. More Hemmer, more Aenar, even more Bruce Horak as a completely different alien or character.

I like the episode a lot, and it hit so very many wonderful notes and gave us so many coup d’oeil moments….but…it’s also getting me to the point where wanting just to settle into something just focused on the entire main cast together. That won’t be next week’s crossover with Lower Decks or the musical episode. And we’re promised a ‘Moretegas’ episode too. Would be sad if the finale is the only episode that features the whole cast coalescing as a team.

We got more from Una in this one, but still not enough. They had her in an oppositional situation with Pelia, somewhat as she was with Hemmer in season one. Even though I liked the resolution, and it’s great to see this kind of friction between two female officers with very different temperaments, somehow it’s not quite hitting the mark in making us see why Una is such a great officer. I feel like other than in the focus episodes for her each season, the writers just don’t know who she is as well as Chabon did when he wrote Q&A.

I’m also having very mixed feelings about how Kirk is overshadowing main characters in the episodes in which he appears. This Kirk is growing on me, but do we really need so much Kirk so early in the multi season run of this show? Especially when it’s getting Paramount+ ratings enough to make the case for many seasons to come.

All to say, as much as I really am sold on the ensemble, with so few episodes, I’m feeling that adding in so much Kirk is taking away from the opportunities to have other ensemble characters be featured teaming up with each other. I’m still not feeling that hankering for Pike’s Enterprise, that I’ve had since I first saw the reconstruction of The Cage, is quite getting satisfied.

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[–] TeaHands@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Enjoyable episode, down a bit from the last few but at least we're staying well ahead of ep1 in terms of quality. I am getting a bit of Kirk fatigue though, they have him technically meeting people for the first time in this episode but it feels like there's no impact because we've seen them together in alternate timelines already.

Also, did I miss something or did they gather no proof whatsoever of the nebula aliens? I'm fine with Pike taking Uhura's word for it in the climax but it just felt like there was a bit missing in between "taking the hallucinating person's word for it" and "we now all accept that this was definitely happening and are writing scientific papers on it".

Anyway now for my truly controversial opinion: I don't like Pelia. The character is a great idea, but the execution is terrible.

I was excited at first, Carol Kane is great, but she just doesn't work here imo. She's hard to understand, every line seems to be delivered exactly the same, I don't know she just seems like a joke character but without many jokes. It's a little uncomfortable to watch.

Fully accept I am the only one who thinks this, though!

[–] Meowrilena@mstdn.fr 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@TeaHands @ValueSubtracted you're not the only one, the way Pelia delivers her lines irks me quite a bit.
Plus, I was shocked at Pike giving Uhura so much liberty with something that he said was so important for the federation, especially since she didn't have any proof. 🤷‍♀️

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It'll be a while before I can watch this one, but I predict that Jim Kirk was an hallucination the whole time.

I look forward to logging in and seeing just how badly I've been roasted for being wrong.

[–] Frodo@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

One man’s hallucination is another’s parallel dimension.

Well, dang it.

[–] felixxx999@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Literally the only guy that wasn't. Lol.

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[–] angstrom@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

A little bit of a dip from last week but otherwise an enjoyable episode even if it learned a bit too much on the fan service.

Although kudos to the writers for cleverly weaving around existing continuity and throwing in the Gorn misdirection.

[–] Simon@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The whole season is very, very good. Really loved this episode and the characters development in it. Mayby the overall story of this episode wasn't the best, but who cares it is real classic trek 🖖

[–] GummySquirrel@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago

New life goals - get uhura's linen and pillow sets and start life as a space hippy 🙃

[–] felixxx999@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm starting to get DS9 vibes among the crew. I'm liking that things are complicated. This season doesn't feature Pike much, does it? DS9 of course handled politics and religion well and I suspect SNW is steering clear. I knew that (blank) would return but I didn't expect him to be a decomposing corpse.

[–] electrorocket@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Anson Mount had a new baby just as filming this season began, so they worked around his schedule a bit so he could spend more time in Canada with his family.

[–] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 7 points 1 year ago

Anson Mount's wife had their first child just before the filming of the season, so he was given a few episodes off

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought this one was...fine. I don't think it will go down in history as one of the more logical episodes, but it told the story it was trying to tell.

I do wish they'd given Spock an actual reason to approach Kirk and Uhura in that final scene. I get that they wanted to commit that meeting to film, but it was strange for him to just sort of...wander over.

[–] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spock cleaned up Sam Kirk's mess once again. That's why he approached the table. (and I presume that's why that one snippet from last week was in the "previously on" segment)

[–] RootBeerGuy@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it was an awfully specific snippet, really just shown to setup the last scene of that episode. Bit wrird but it felt nice seeing Spock, Uhura and Kirk together. I guess just a bit of fanservice.

[–] AuroraBorealis@pawb.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I liked this episode, and Uhura's futuristic looking pillow

Makes me nervous about the....safety of the ship if one guy who I don't think was even supposed to be posted on the enterprise (like Ramon was part of the refinery crew before Enterprise got there) was able to cut the power (no backups?) And blow up the nacelle , maybe starfleet should review their backup and security procedures there

[–] Lockely@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

As we all know, operational security is Starfleet's #1 priority.

I have to imagine there's a seedy bar in San Francisco where all the Chief Security Officers meet up to bitch about how no one ever listens to their recommendations but its their asses who get chewed out when the ship gets so easily taken over on a weekly basis.

[–] XiberKernel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This was the weakest episode of the season so far, and I still loved it. I couldn’t get over the fact Uhura wasn’t confined to sickbay or quarters by mid episode, but the rest of it showcases why SNW is quickly becoming my favorite Trek series.

[–] erbazzone@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

So Uhura punched Kirk under hallucinations and then years after they kissed forced by telekinesis and some guy remembered me that in the prime universe when they met she thought he was hitting on her and he got punched (unrelated). In the kelvin-verse when they met he actually was hitting on her and he got punched (related).

[–] Mandolingual@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the ep but I feel like lots of eps this season have followed the pattern of something messing with their heads, character development, revealing an ineffable alien thing. Which is fine from time to time, and those were good eps, but it would be nice to have more alien sociology type stuff with more humanoid species

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[–] estebanknobl@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was not as fun as last week's episode, but I liked it. Great to see Bruce Horak. I felt it strange not seeing Farragut's captain somewhere along the episode.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Can anyone explain why a space station that seems to break down when you sneeze at it wrong, or smash one of its power conduits, requires photon torpedoes to shut it down?

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[–] Electricorchestra@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if these are new Hemmer shots and if the Hemmet actor was also the zombie?

[–] Hogger85b@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I remember seeing articles that Bruce Horak was acting in season 2 so think he was back for hemmer shots, I assume zombie shots too as why not.

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[–] Buziel_411@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I liked this episode! Although one thing that irked me was “deuterium poisoning.” Deuterium is just a hydrogen isotope; is breathing it actually poisonous? It felt like the writers didn’t realize it wasn’t a fake substance like duranium.

Also I suspected the hallucinations were coming from aliens in the nebulae because the deuterium collection was harming them pretty early on. Definitely feels like a classic Trek story though!

Also, seeing Hemmer again resurfaced my disappointment that they killed him off! He was one of my favorite characters in the first season. When they showed the flashback of his death in the episode intro, I was hoping they were going to revive him somehow in this episode, haha. I’m still holding out hope that he didn’t actually die but survived the fall and has been surviving on the ice planet (since he is Aenar after all). Unfortunately, I guess they already used the “left behind a crew member assumed KIA” with Zac Nguyen so I doubt this will happen.

[–] khaosworks@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Deuterium toxicity does exist, but you’d have to ingest a hell of a lot of it, not trace amounts via breathing. The symptoms mimic radiation poisoning, although since deuterium isn’t radioactive, it isn’t actually that.

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[–] zpm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Great episode with serious and feel good moments.

Watching Kirk and Spock meet was fun.

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