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[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 96 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The tankies aren't going to like this meme.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If they browse NCD they'll be mad a lot. People on here have the normal take on whether the North Koreans are secret Wakanda good guys, and it comes up constantly.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 132 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don't keep forever anyway.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 66 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 60 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

nah that's right. we've sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we've been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 45 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Probably on account of every window in every city being broken by shockwaves from bombardments

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 15 hours ago

also ukrainian winters are notably brutal

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't plexiglass be a better thing to ask for during war time in that case?

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago

And we're also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 26 points 17 hours ago

Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Good point. Chuck Norris-style thumbs up.

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Not sure if we should taunt a powerful dictator in the last third of his lifespan, who is slowly losing his war and his lifegoal of a reunited Russia. I know it's fun to humiliate a bad guy, but if he decides "if I die, the world dies", we're doomed.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Man, I wonder if those Russian propaganda guys ever wish they had more non-bullshit to spew. Like, they have to keep up appearances, but it's usually easy to tell which statements are for the public, and which ones they might actually mean (like the threat to do proxy wars of their own), so it's just a lot of wasted words.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 32 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Fox has been pumping up the Russophobia since Putin started saber-rattling, most likely to justify Trump’s incoming “peace negotiations” that will result in sacrificing Ukrainian territory.

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[–] BonerMan@ani.social 14 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

One day the fire of a thousand suns will cleans the world from good and evil alike and will bring true balance.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 16 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Nah. It's gonna be bird flu.

Covid shut down the world with a death rate of like 1%.

Bird flu is 56%.

Don't let the sink in. It's coughing and looks like it's got Bird flu.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I think bird flu is deadly enough that people will actually take it seriously, the survival rate of Covid was high enough it was possible you would know multiple people who've had it and survived.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

But if it does kick off, it's going to kick off with absolutely the worst people in charge of managing it coupled with lunatics running podcasts who see everything as a conspiracy or are snakeoil salesman/women with a massive reach.

It's going to rival the Black Death if it happens under Trumps administration.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 hours ago

no it won't. plenty of infected people probably got under the radar because they thought it's regular flu. covid initially had much higher fatality too

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago

Thankfully, I'm nowhere near the USA, and my country has largely competent leaders, so I'll be watching in horror from the other side of the world.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 16 hours ago

And this time people know to get mad and deliberately cough on each other for freedom in advance, instead of just buying TP.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

H5N1 has never left, there were outbreaks 20 years ago already

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[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

One can only hope.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

No need to use them now that Trump will withdraw support.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Can someone explain to me why it's ridiculous to take them seriously? Genuine question.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

that's because MAD still works and things like sending ATACMS are nowhere close to actual nuclear threshold, which would be nuclear attack or overwhelming conventional invasion threatening existence of country. nobody would be even thinking of nukes until Ukrainian tanks roll to Moscow lol. if you have a spare hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKGYnO0Jf4

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

But what about tactical nukes which wouldn't trigger MAD?

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[–] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 19 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

When your enemy has strategic nukes, the extreme ways to respond are:

A, not taking the nuclear threat seriously.

B, give up.

Saying we shouldn't arm Ukraine because of nukes is close to option B.

Nukes may go off, but if arming Ukraine is the trigger, than we were likely to witness nuclear war because we wouldn't accept option B, rather than any weapon system giving Ukraine an advantage. If that is the case, nuclear war has most likely already been decided.

The real game is to make those in Russia believe that backing down works towards their goals. If they hope in 20 years the US will fall apart, they may wait, or maybe someone will kill Putin and take over Russia, being rewarded by less sanctions.

Long story short, nuking Ukraine don't benifit Russia more than it will hurt it.

I am not an expert

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[–] obre@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Add a soyjak with an ushanka in the bottom frame next to the chud for extra accuracy

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