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[–] Simplesyrup@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fd up the English flag!!!!!!!!

[–] gatlace@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Webster > Oxford, end of discussion

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not japanese, but my understanding is that japanese uses a lot of honorifics and their pronouns use them too. So you don't just say "I" but "I, a humble servant," or "I, an esteemed gentleman," or "I, the owner of this establishment,"

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, along with changing their word choice and grammar to fit the situation as well - informal vs formal, personal vs polite, business vs political, elder vs youth, male vs female, etc.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago

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[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, from my basic understanding of language, it seems like Japanese is a far denser language that something like English. I've heard that people are able to indicate tone and other such things in a way that's just kinda built into the language, whereas with English or similar languages it would require extra sentences that seem awkward

[–] Lamy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I thought Americans stopped using pronouns

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why are there so many, is 私 (わたし) not enough?

[–] IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are a lot in theory but in practice most of the ones in this picture aren't used, especially not all by one person.

Each person generally can have up to 2/3 pronouns they use. One for acquaintances (and the one you use most of the time), one for strangers where you need to be a bit more formal and then possibly one for when you're speaking to someone in a higher position. Outside of that, only very specific scenarios would require a different pronoun.

Andd for example if you use "watashi" with acquaintances, that one's also valid in many formal scenarios so you wouldn't need a separate one for that, you'd only need a more formal one like "watakushi" when speaking to someone in a high position. So all in all it's really not that complicated.

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok so わたし is formal and わたくし is very formal.

Can you give me please an example for an informal "I"?

[–] IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ぼく, おれ or あたし are pretty good examples of informal ones. You'd only use those with acquaintances pretty much.

Note わたし isn't specifically formal per se, it's just very neutral so it works in a lot of formal contexts too.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

For very stilted, academic, formal conversation, it is, but for conversation with social superiors, social inferiors, peers, friends, family, in a business setting, a political setting, or any number of other social situations, you start using a lot of other first person pronouns instead, especially distinguishing male from female, childish from elderly, etc.

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