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So I'm looking to disconnect myself from Google and their tracking (as much as possible) and I was thinking about installing GrapheneOS on my Pixel phone. I mostly use my phone for Lemmy, Signal, NewPipe and taking photos. The last one is my biggest bother at the moment. The Google Photos environment is so convenient - I take a photo, it uploads it to my Google Photos collection, and after a while, it deletes it from my phone to clear space, keeping only the cloud backup. Is there a functionality like this disconnected from Google that I would be able to implement on my GrapheneOS phone? I'm looking to invest in the Proton environment (mainly Mail and Drive) so I could use that for storage. Cheers

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[–] twotone@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nextcloud, as mentioned, is a great option but does require a bit of work, albeit not much. I would recommend a Synology server. They're fantastically simple and this was my approach after trying Nextcloud. I did this to divorce myself from Google. Synology has many mirrored services

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But it's a more costly option correct? Because rather than using an old machine, I would have to purchase a $500+ machine from them.

[–] randomguy2323@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is expensive but trust me Synology DSM is awesome and beatiful and it works really well.

[–] eerongal@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

second/third this. synology nas's are great! I've been running one for almost a decade now. They run a good line between being very powerful and very user friendly so you don't have to be super technical to get them working. To a large extent, they can almost be completely plug and play, depending on what you're looking for.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

So if I understand correctly, Synology DSM is operating system that can be installed on any NAS drive? Or do you have to first buy their enclosure to use it? I found a used Synology enclosure with 2tb disk for $200 and I'm wondering if I should get it. Is stuff like Synology Moments (which is presume is just an app on the DSM system) free or is it extra?

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Synology DSM is only available on Synology hardware. It is not something you can buy from them and install on your own NAS.

However...

There is Xpenology that works fairly well. I ran one for a couple of years and loved it, but updating it difficult and potentially dangerous to your data, some apps will not work and the latest DSM7 does not look like it will ever be available. I finally gave up last year and bought an Asustor AS3304T. Their ASM software and apps are not on par with Synology but it gets the job done for me at a significantly cheaper price.

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[–] twotone@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A single bay "J" model should be around $200 including a 4tb drive. You can achieve a lot with that, especially if your focus is automated photo backup

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you keep an offline backup of your Synology NAS drive? In case it's disk craps out.

[–] twotone@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, backup is very easy, I backup to a locally attached external hard drive as well as to a cloud service. There are loads of options and ways to manage backups

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using Immich. Very useful and easy for non techies to use. I know it says beta software, and it is; but it is more reliable than Lemmy...

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 4 points 1 year ago

Are you using it with multiple users/devices syncing? I'm looking to get out of Photoprism, and Immich caught my eye a little while back.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your hardware setup for this?

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

VM on a Proxmox host, running Rocky Linux. 4G Ram, 2CPU, sshfs to NAS for picture storage.

[–] fuzzzerd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sshfs to Nas? Does that mean you have a persistent ssh session open from your host and are using it as a file system to a self hosted Nas at your home? Or did I misunderstand that?

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Using SSHFS ; so yeah basically a long running SSH session. You can use other methods that your NAS and OS host support if you feel like it though. The NAS is located on the same network as immich is. NAS has 10TB storage, the vm only has 25GB, enough for the system install and running updates.

[–] Bishma@social.fossware.space 16 points 1 year ago

it deletes it from my phone to clear space, keeping only the cloud backup

One copy of of anything isn't a backup, it's a move. Yes, in this case, Google is doing its own backups but you're giving them all the trust and control.

[–] sup@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Immich! I've been using it for a while and it's amazing

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I replaced Google Photos with a Synology NAS + Synology Moments (app). It handles the backup from my phone, organizes the images, has facial recognition, object recognition, etc. Object recognition was REMOVED from the newer Photos app, but Synology is apparently bringing that feature back this year.

You can clear up backed up photos from your phone through the Moments app (not sure about the other Photo apps from Synology), but you'll still want to have an actual backup solution for what's on your NAS.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much did you pay for your Synology setup? What is it? Do you have an offline backup?

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[–] GrumpyRobot@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you can setup a small server (nothing fancy, an old refurbed office PC does just fine) you can setup NextCloud. I use it for a Google Drive/Photos replacement. Doesn't have as many nice features, but it works if al you want is archiving.

You can also check out the Self-Hosted Git Guide, there is a whole section for Photo/Video management. https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#photo-and-video-galleries

[–] Zoop@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Syncthing is another good option. I've never used NextCloud, though, so I'm not sure which is better.

[–] drew_belloc@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Syncthing is great if you wanna to sync everything inside a folder, i've used in the past to backup savefiles of drm free games, but for photos nextcloud is a better option since work almost the same as google photos auto finding the folder with images and asking kf you wanna to sync them instead of doing manually

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is there a capability of having stuff on the cloud, but not locally, but they will still be accessible on the phone given the computer/server is on and that I'm online on my phone.

EDIT: See if I had a half decent computer, but with a decent storage (let's say 1tb) and I had on all time - could I potentially use it as my own self hosted cloud?

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

To your edit:

Yes.

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[–] sibloure@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Another vote for syncthing. It just magically works in the background and is very reliable. I take a photo on my phone and within seconds it's on my Photos library on my computer. (gThumb and/or Shotwell for Linux work well. )

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Since we're discussing alternatives to Google, does anyone know of a self-hosted alternative to Google's location sharing? (For family members etc?)

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/ca.cmetcalfe.locationshare/

Seems to be working all right - give it a shot!

EDIT: Apologies, missed the self hosted bit.

EDIT2: Found this: https://fossdroid.com/a/hauk.html

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[–] idealium@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago
[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Syncthing to get the photos and videos off our phones, and Photoprism as the photo library.

But I'm looking to see if there's a decent replacement for the latter, as the promised multi-user support that was eventually delivered was made a paid feature, without any acknowledgement for those of us that were paid up Github supporters up to that point.

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[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry for my rec since I'm not sure if it fits your needs or spec, but I use SyncThing which seems to support everything?

I'm also not sure since I don't use it, but you could theoretically get a tasker or automator setup to force SyncThing on Wi-Fi to your backup server and another/same one to delete them monthly/based on storage space?

It's not an all in one, as I don't believe SyncThing does transfers but makes copies? Unsure, this seems like it may be an option for you!

Bonus: if you have any kind of music collection that you like digitally, it makes it very easy to have an automated library :)

[–] sequential@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

It can definitely work! I use syncthing for my notes, music, photos, config files, and more, it's a lifesaver. I make sure all of my files make it to my desktop and keep it backed up.

[–] gutter564@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apart from the ones mentioned there's also Murena cloud. Good if you have e/os phone

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ooooooo I like the sound of this. What's the community's opinion on them when it comes to privacy? I don't mind paying a monthly fee if it's all taken care for me.

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

from my very limited research, it's not the most private OS especially when compared to GrapheneOS. They do make it easier to switch to a de-Googled product with replacements out of the box. I do recall a lot of their other products like the Drive and what not are open source

[–] gutter564@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Imo its a very nice OS. Murena cloud is pretty private. You don't get much free space compared to Google tho.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago
[–] Kk@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Ente.io is also an option

[–] JurassicPork@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was one of my last de-googling projects, I currently self hosting photoprism, I have syncthing that syncs my photos to a network attached storage....at 3am it copies those pictures to a permanent location (I do 3am because during the day if you want to delete any photos etc. Before it syncs with photoprism.... At 4am my nas backs up to another nas (they are just a few portable HD for redundancy) photoprism works great for me, not as powerful as say Google photos, but close 2nd for me..... And for accessing the photos when not at home, have setup wireguard VPN for away from home access....... I see you want automatic deletion of the photos on your phone, I'd say you be able to run a CRON job that maybe every day (if you have made sure that your pictures are for sure being backed up in the middle of the night, that would automatically delete your dcim pictures folder..... I also run graphene, I'll give it a try and let you know if it works

P.s. my NAS drives are connected to a raspberry pi

[–] chahk@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried to get Photoprism running on my unRAID server a while ago, but the setup was quite involved and I messed up a couple of steps. Ended up dusting off my old Synology DS412+ and running Moments on it. It's slow as hell (running on a 12 year old Atom processor and 4GB RAM) but it got me off of Google Photos.

[–] JohnDumpling@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

crypt.ee is a great alternative, which is extremely well designed. Included in the subscribtion is an online document editor for personal notes and documents. Everything fully encrypted of course & works across all platforms.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm using Synology photos. Auto backup for everyone's phones. Shared common library we move things into for all our photos. I miss some of the ai search capability of Google, but never enough to do anything but self host.

[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does this mean the Synology is exposed to the public internet?

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If you wish. You can set it up to only sync locally (intranet only) or you may expose it via DNS and port forwarding.

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[–] TheOrionArm@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Nextcloud is good. I actually have an instance on my server if you need one. A+ rating on server security test lol

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