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[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago

Hear fucking hear.

[–] Vailliant@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago

They have, they were just as beholden to money interests as the Republicans...

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Bit late init

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Democrats don't learn lessons.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 11 points 15 hours ago

Democrats are the establishment that needs to be laid out to pasture and replaced

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Wasn't there a recent conspiracy theory that the establishment doesn't want Trump (hence the assassination attempts) because he's an easily manipulated loose canon who doesn't follow orders like a good shill should lol?

Point being that dems lost this election because they are inherently more pro establishment and have been for a while.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Monster grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can, and the Noodle to know the difference.

RAmen

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I suggest we all get together and form a party. We can hold it somewhere well known; maybe a waterfront, or harbor. I hear Boston is a nice place. Very patriotic even. We can even have refreshments; maybe a nice tea? Who’s in?

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: anybody not cheering for Fox News' talking points sufficiently enthusiastically is declared "socialist" and all but suggested as target for public lynching (or in some cases actually the target of a lynch mob storming the capitol) and the masses have been drilled into going berserk at hearing the right keywords, regardless of what happens in reality.

Calling an attempt to break this information monopoly over half the nation an uphill battle is the epitome of understatement.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, Fox News is going to call anyone against them a socialist. That's just what they're going to do. There are even some Republican policies which can be construed as socialist, such as public spending on schools, even private schools.

The average voter really doesn't care about if something is socialist or not. They clearly don't care if something is fascist. They only care about the perception of how it will affect their life.

If you tell people they're not going to have to pay for healthcare ever again, or that cannabis will be legal, or that you will fix the massive wealth gap, they will vote for you. Nominal Republicans would even vote for you. The downside of using the word socialism like that, is that Fox News that has removed the meaning of socialism from their base, meaning that actual socialism will not seem like such a big deal.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Being called socialist isn't even the issue. My point is that a news monolith has spent decades radicalising half the country and at this point there are enough cultists that will mercilessly tear down anybody Fox&Co paint a target on. Until there is a solid defense against such a hate machine, no party will flourish on its merits as long as Fox-drilled stooges will only be fed a caricature of any opposition Fox designates as the enemy. Even your perfect ideal candidate would lose the election. The boogeyman Fox would paint them to be would be so repulsive and half the country would never even hear their ideas anyway, except what skewed perspective Fox would blast the viewers with 24/7.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 13 hours ago

"These bonobo monkeys must become Rhodes scholars" is a more believable headline

[–] ZK686@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Isn't that what Trump is saying he is? I mean, they're both claiming to be "against the machine..."

[–] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago

He's annoying, but he's right.

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