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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949

JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 days ago

Was Europe about to regulate Elon Musk's platforms?

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 222 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 85 points 5 days ago (4 children)
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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Holding Western stability hostage in the name of the oligarchs, good job voting everyone...

[–] Azal@pawb.social 32 points 4 days ago

No no no, you see, we showed the democrats by not showing up to vote! /s

uuugh... I made myself sick quoting those jackass fucktards. (I did vote, and screamed until I was blue in the face to get people to vote. About every year.)

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 92 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Old article, btw. This is from Sept 2024. I get that's what he promised, and while I think he's a complete asshat, let's not discount that he and Trump said and will say anything to appear smart, capable, and as if they have a plan.

Time will tell if this actually comes to pass, but I'm not actually going to hold my breath for this one.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Good note, I didn't notice that in the original post. I edited the title

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago (2 children)

These autocrats have always wanted to drop NATO.

Let’s not pretend like X is their reason. Supporting autocracy is their reason, and now they’re trying to come up with excuses to get the public onboard.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 54 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Cool, no more need for American military bases in our countries then. Or sharing intelligence with them. Or propping up their arms industry.

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

People in Sardinia are going to be happy about this

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That would work, if the EU hasn’t been sleeping on their defense, and relying on Daddy USA to protect Europe

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago

What a coincidence that Elon Musk paid 100+ million for their campaign

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is why billionaires shouldn't exist.

The other thing I need to mention is that is that Elon Musk is far from the only billionaire with a massively disproportionate influence on elections and society. Or even the biggest. He is just the biggest attention whore of them all.

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[–] unskilled5117@feddit.org 50 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio senator claimed in an interview with YouTuber Shawn Ryan that a top EU official had threatened to arrest the billionaire [Musk] if he allowed former President Trump back on X.

“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. […]

“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”

The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.

If anyone is interested these countries are ahead of the USA from 1-25: Denmark Switzerland Sweden Belgium Estonia Norway Finland Ireland Germany Iceland Portugal Austria New Zealand Canada Argentina Spain Czech Republic Italy Latvia Costa Rica Uruguay France Dominican Republic Netherlands Vanuatu

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Insult Musk on Twitter, wait until posts are censored, sue X for not having freedom of speech. How's that for American values?

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This is expected. A hallmark of fascism is state capitalism — a fusion of the corporation and the state — with corporations administered more like org units of the fascist party.

Many of us have been saying that this is the natural end state of capitalism all along, if it's allowed to run its course.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Problem is that it's hurting the economy, meaning that if your hypothesis is right, capitalism collapses rather quickly if left on it's on devices.

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 39 points 4 days ago (5 children)

France's military industry is having wet dreams thinking about it.

If the US pulls out of NATO France becomes the biggest arms exporter of NATO and I would expect other countries will become less enthusiastic at the idea of buying US weapons systems.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

x is a government platform now. Sign onto your government social media account.

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

In his shoes, I would think twice - does their team really want to present their dirtiest laundry to the world - such as owing an election to a media oligarch?

As for the EU, it's a massive bureaucracy which still follows its own laws. It probably won't change track. There is no single person to change its track.

However, at this stage of the game, I have the nagging feeling that some American may downregulate Elon Musk directly, far before the EU manages to step on his precious toe.

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 33 points 4 days ago

This is a key part of fascism, government and industry being one and the same entity.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

It's Fascism all the way down!

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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