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[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not a US citizen, but considering the current global trend, isn't it also possible that the West is slowly but surely turning to fascism again?

I couldn't care less about the democratic party, so not trying to find excuses but everything I read about the US election reminds me of everything I read about... well.. most European elections in the past 10 years.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Mexico recently elected a socialist woman. Europe and American political parties have collectively decided on the strategy of trying to win the neo nazi vote.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm from Germany and it's happening here too.

The established parties (mainly die Grünen SPD, CDU/CSU and FDP) have been unable for decades to solve problems like decaying infrastructures, pensions, bureaucracy and taxes. They're so disconnected from reality that they probably don't even know what the normal citizen bothers and then with the big immigration waves starting in 2015 and the complete and utter failure in handling it gave rise to parties, mainly the AfD, who promised solutions for everything.

Also, we can not forget the influence Russia and China have on our politics. They want nothing more than Western powers in disarray and it gets widely ignored or dismissed.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Also, we can not forget the influence Russia and China have on our politics. They want nothing more than Western powers in disarray, and it gets widely ignored or dismissed.

This was a huge factor, and one our ruling party will ignore. Youtube and tiktok algorithms radicalized Americans into voting for a Nazi. They told them he wouldn't do the ahit he says he'll do and that the Democrats and brown people are the cause of all of their problems. It's pure propaganda paid for by Russia, China, and probably many other of our enemies.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It is not the failure of a single parties' leadership if a majority votes for fashism.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It is if that leadership consistently refuses to learn from their mistakes and fails to mount any meaningful opposition to fascism as it creeps into more and more control over decades.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

they are also fascists with billionaire friends. they just aint loud and brazen about it.

always being content with the lesser evil just brings us back to evil anyway.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Keep telling yourself institutions are going to save democracy.

The ultimate responsibility of keeping a functioning democracy lies with the people. Complaining about failing institutions or parties is no more productive than armchair political activity.

Confront people about their choices and how they let this happen. Hold people accountable for all the election promises and obvious outcomes the new administration implements.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But America really has remarkably weak and poorly designed institutions that only work as long people don't abuse it... Which is to neglect human nature and not prepare for it. America's flaunted "checks and balances" never worked

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

“Andrew Jackson entered the chat…”

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (23 children)

This cannot be the message.

The first, and foremost failure, is the Republican party. They are the ones who have chosen Donald Trump to lead. And secondly, they are the ones who built up an organization to turn him into the most powerful political force in America. I salute the Republicans who are still fighting the anti-Trump fight, but the cause is 100% lost. MAGA is now going to be a multi-decade ideology and there's no way to pull Republicanism out of that trap in any short-term.

That means we need to truly, armor up and organize a fierce resistance. One that can overpower and overtake the MAGA movement. This means seeing MAGA for what it is: a cultural behemoth that commands over 75-million votes today, reliably. They have Elon Musk (Twitter/X). They likely have Zuckerberg (Facebook/Meta/Instagram). They have Washington Post (Jeff Bezos, who has recently replaces the heads with former Murdoch editors). They have LA Times. They have Gannett (and their 200+ regional / local papers). I dare say they own Reddit and likely were running social media interference at the lowest levels (with false stories of hopium. If you were on /r/politics you know what I'm talking about, focusing on shitty stories that Kamala was ahead)

Do you seriously think that all the major newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala Harris was some kind of freak accident? It was a preplanned move to specifically fuck us over. And it worked.

That is the nature of our opposition. They aren't idiots. They are savvy. They are resourceful. They own the collective media space. And they use their power to get Donald Trump (a shitty man who is easily puppetted with praise), because they want a shadow puppet as their king.

And now that their king is elected, you can see Cryptobros pumping their cryptocoins, Stocks in various media companies flying high, etc. etc. They know they won and they'll take the W today. But take a good look at America right now. In your depression, as you're thinking about why Kamala won, you're missing the real message.

Ask yourself: Why did Donald Trump win. And think about it. The answer is right before you and blazingly far more obvious than any particular action that was within Democrats or Kamala's control.

[–] spector@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I dare say they own Reddit and likely were running social media interference at the lowest levels (with false stories of hopium. If you were on /r/politics you know what I’m talking about, focusing on shitty stories that Kamala was ahead)

Finally someone else is saying it. Feels like I've been taking crazy pills.

Notice how the politics subreddit is basically operated like the_donald. It's controlled opposition. During the 45th administration they made a huge deal out of every single thing Trump did. No matter how big or small there was megathreads. What happened during Bidens administration? Fuck all of attention to anything. It was like 50/50 chance on any given week the mods would bother to create big posts for anything significant the administration accomplished. Net effect of making Biden seem more ineffectual. It's basic a strategy of skewing what people are seeing by subtly editorializing the feed.

Throughout the Harris campaign there was scarcely any good discussion about actual policies. There was no shortage of comments saying it looks like she has not much policy. Followed by rare replies that never get any upvotes pointing out yes there's actually an easily digestible 80 page document.

They let the subreddit flood with newsweek articles about how well Harris is polling. Seems to be one of the main diversionary tactics.

A lot of reddit users don't seem to understand that reddit is not a democratic content driven platform. What they see can and is editorialized by the moderators. Hell people can't even figure out the difference between admin (reddit employee) and mod (anonymous users with indeterminate biases/agendas). Some even seem to think reddit employees run subeddits. What a fucking disaster of ignorance but I digress.

All in all it appears reddit never recovered from the 2015-2016 the_donald coup. There was never an answer to that lrlourpresident account which was obviously astroturfing Democrat named subreddits.

I think much of the older userbase of anyone remotely left of center has gradually left by attrition over the years. Coincidentally between 2016 and today they've basically relaunched the platform bringing in whole new waves of unsuspecting users with the desktop redesign, phone app, and the IPO.

Something that hadn't dawned on me until relatively recently with all the Musk Twitter bullshit. After reddit the company became independent from Conde Nast their chief source of funding is Thiel and Andreessen. Both we now know are hardcore MAGA supporting billionaires.

Steve Huffman calling those white supremacists on their platform "valuable discussion" is his "very fine people" moment.

ETA: The DOJ released documents from Russia stating they are to target "community of American gamers, users of reddit and image boards such as 4chan (the backbone of right-wing trends in the US segment of the internet)". Emphasis mine. Comments linking to these documents were being inexplicable removed from the politics subreddit. This whole story got swept off the reddit news cycle real quick.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're going to get downvoted because you're making some big swings here. I'd say you'll end up being 50% correct when the numbers come out and everything is drilled into.

The singular fact that nobody seems to want to say is that you apparently can now just win by lying to voters, cheating the law, propagandizing everything, and bragging non-stop about doing so. He will not do anything for people in this country or the world, nor will Vance. It's a bait and switch, plain and simple, and people are dumb enough to vote for it. This happened in Italy twice almost 100 years ago, and it took them 15 years to finally get mad enough to just revolt, and hang those people for display.

The unfortunate truth right now is there seems to not be the pushback for this in the US. People are willing to vote against themselves and their neighbors because Trump/Vance say they're going to get you money while they are pillaging you at the same time.

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