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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 231 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (53 children)

Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and "deep" analysis, but we're just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren't the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It's not satisfying, but it's just the plain truth here. We're closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes... But we're also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren't smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. "The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it."

Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

[–] MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 57 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

This reads like straight out of disco elysium. Great choice of words

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 57 points 23 hours ago

I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn't funny and isn't funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

Now we are all fucked.

[–] LappingDog@sh.itjust.works 44 points 20 hours ago (13 children)

I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 58 points 19 hours ago

This is all excuses. The fact that Trump made it all the way as the primary candidate for the GOP means that Republicans were okay with what he said and what he did.

For a normal person, it shouldn't even take a second to choose Harris. But this isn't the case. Trump won the popular vote and the presidency despite all the crazy shit because a sizeable part of the citizens voted him in regardless of the reason.

And not only that, but Republicans won the senate and well on their way to win the house.

It is about to get real bad, and Americans have themselves to blame for that.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 10 points 18 hours ago

Now is time for the "well, if we don't develop it first, the bad guys will" superpower to show itself off, I guess.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 27 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

(in spirit since I am not American)

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 26 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (16 children)

What??? We literally saw democracy play out. You can't even use the excuse that he lost the popular vote, he won every type of democratic way we have.

You know what wasn't democracy? Installing candidates into primaries over democratically popular candidates. Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and Kamala in 2024. In every single one of these primaries, they did everything they could to shut down anyone popular who showed any sign of having a backbone, even though they killed democracy as it happened.

What we saw was a backlash to a stifling of democracy. Democracy won last night.

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[–] Wolfram@lemmy.world 144 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I can't tell you how much faith I've lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how... ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

I can't fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn't worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 47 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

There may not be any need for that.

The United States, China, etc. all have trade policies that are fundamentally unsustainable and result in persistent trade imbalances.

This causes all sorts of poor economic outcomes for large sectors of those countries. For example, an anaemic household sector in China and over investments in housing, huge private and public sector deficits in the United States, etc.

In the free market world of Adam Smith and comparative advantage, persistent trade imbalances should not exist.

Over the medium to long term, imports are meant to pay for exports.

If there are persistent trade imbalances, it means there is persistent under consumption (China) or over consumption (United States).

Note: This is not just limited to these countries.

At some point, there is going to be an economic crisis because it can't continue forever.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 129 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (15 children)

Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That's versus ~48% in 2016. The problem isn't democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.

We constantly joke that it's Idiocracy, but the truth is...

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 28 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah uh, I really really hate to say it, but... democracy worked this time. The voice of the people is "Trump please". Democracy just means you get what most people want, not what the best option is.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 118 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 75 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Also say goodbye to internet freedom of speech, if even a small portion of Project 2025 comes into play. Anti-pornography activism sounds nice on paper, until you realize everyone has a different definition of pornography, and the people that want to ban porn the most have a rather interesting take on what constitutes as porn and what doesn't...

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[–] obscur_e@lemm.ee 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

FWIW most clowns are hard-working, skilled individuals who bring joy to people's lives.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

When you figure out that the United States was established by wealthy white males who owned slaves, had a revolution due to "no taxation without representation" but then purposefully ignored to repent the 99% until major reforms over the years, it makes sense.

The first set presidential elections were only voted by a handful of Americans. Not the women. Not the slaves. Not the natives who were here first. The landowning white men.

When we claimed England is a tyranny but abolished slavery and gave universal aufferage before we did, I think we lost that argument. America was built by out of touch white men, and it has always been ran by out of touch white men.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Rebecca Latimer Felton, the first woman elected to the US House, "spoke vigorously in favor of lynching African Americans, under the pretense of protecting the sexual purity of European-American women."

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[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 day ago

Funny and true. I like it.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Well, it is nearly dead now.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 43 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

US is system is so bad. The constant pandering to "founding fathers" as if it's even possible to have strong enough vision that it would last 200+ years and refusal to innovate past the ridiculous two party system is just sad tbh.

Yet nothing will change because you can't change these things without a revolution apparently.

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