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Explosive new audio reveals that Donald Trump detailed how he really felt about his White House staff to Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein touted old photos of Trump with half-naked women taken at the site of the pedophile’s rampant sexual abuse of young girls.

On author Michael Wolff’s Thursday episode of his podcast Fire and Fury, Wolff shared a recording of a conversation with Epstein from 2017, in which the convicted sex offender and alleged human trafficker recounted Trump’s true feelings about members of his administration, The Daily Beast reported.

“His people fight each other and then have outsiders—he sort of poisons the well outside,” Epstein told Wolff. Epstein went on to paraphrase Trump’s candid statements about his former strategist Steve Bannon, former chief of staff Reince Priebus, and counselor Kellyanne Conway.

“He will tell 10 people, ‘Bannon’s a scumbag’ and ‘Priebus is not doing a good job’ and ‘Kelly has a big mouth’—what do you think? ‘Jamie Dimon says that you’re a problem and I shouldn’t keep you. And I spoke to Carl Icahn. And Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson,’” Epstein said.

“‘So Kelly[anne]—even though I hired Kellyanne’s husband—Kellyanne is just too much of a wildcard.’ And then he tells Bannon, ‘You know I really want to keep you, but Kellyanne hates you,’” Epstein continued.

Wolff said that he had recordings of roughly “100 hours of Epstein talking about the inner workings of the Trump White House and about his long standing, deep relationship with Donald Trump

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The thing I find hard to believe is that this guy has these recordings and waited until now. I’m not saying it’s not true, but this is messy bitch shit and really convenient at a dramatic moment.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 2 days ago

It's another one of those journalists that decided to wait until his book was done. Bob Woodward did a ton of this as well, sitting on things that we should've been told in real time.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It's a classic.

You git some dirt? If you throw it out whenever, people might be caught up in other dramas or the person isn't interesting enough (like Trump 2 years ago, who would have cared?), so you have to wait and publish for maximum exposure and damage.

In france there is a whole slew of files concerning the extreme right, so when they get elected in say some small election or gets a pisition in the party, there's always some rape allegations or heil-hitler photos coming forward...

[–] Arn_Thor@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago

Wolff has been like this for decades. He’s as craven as the rest of them. But he’s also very often right.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 113 points 3 days ago (2 children)

“And in some of the pictures, they’re sitting in his lap,” Wolff said. “I mean, and, and then there’s one I especially remember where there’s a stain, a telltale stain and on the front of Trump’s pants, and the girls are pointing at him and laughing.”

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

I'm saying. I have so many questions to ask, but I don't want any of that knowledge burned into my brain.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Holy shit, this shit really came out 15 years ago? I remember when it first came out, it still holds up, lol.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hey, that was nice.

Also, unrelatedly: When did it become normal for old music videos to be swapped with blurry AI-upscaled versions? So distracting once you see it...

[–] StinkyOnions@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it's YouTube.

Unrelated: are you really actually frankenstein?

Unrelated: are you really actually frankenstein?

I mean, I don't like to advertise it...

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago

Exactly, I'm not doubting they exist, but if they have them, they need released publicly, like, now.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Release! The! Tapes!

Come on, do it. It could have a real impact.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Oh my god, you just got out of your time machine from 2016, didn't you???? That's so cool! So anyway, to catch you up....

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Daily beast published the referenced samples on YouTube.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

I looked, and it's a whole 1:12 of the alleged 100:00:00. That's not enough.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Wolff claimed the FBI discovered the photos in Epstein’s safe when the agency raided his home in 2019, but never released the images to the public.

Exsqueeze me?

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They were pictures of victims topless to be fair. Additionally it's not clear to me that they are over 18.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ok, fine, they didn't release them.

Who the fuck decided not to release them?!?!

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

Someone who was on them, in all likelihood.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean....this is the FBI we are talking about. Anyone the least bit surprised?

This is the outfit that kneecapped Hillary on purpose.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Remember Julian Assange, Ed Snowden, or Chelsea Manning?

Public turned on whistleblowers.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Somebody should make a FOIA request for them.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It would be declined. 100% guaranteed.

Source: I've made countless FOIA requests. Federal agencies decline the most innocuous requests for the least valid of reasons. Something important like this would be declined instantly.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If what this guy had was really that big, he wouldn't have sat on it for 7 years....

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sat on it for too long, now there's a stain

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He doesn't give a shit about justice.

It is just a matter of waiting until the epstein stuff dies down and hitting right before trump can potentially have the government stop it.

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This won't matter to the people who need to hear it most.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This particular recording doesn't matter to me, someone who hates Trump and wants bad news out there to remind people how bad he is. He pitted his staff against each other. A pretty toxic workplace, but not something that's really high priority in making a decision.

It doesn't even establish that Epstein and Trump were close. This could all have been him listening to the rumor mill or getting a description from someone on the inside because he was a stupid rich scumbag and could get access to high profile Republican places. If he's actually got 100 hours of bombshell recordings, this is the dumbest one to lead with.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Why doesn't he just dump it on OpenLeaks or the like? Put all 100 hours out.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago

Or even just anything more important than that he pitted his staff against each other. Who the fuck cares about that?

He's probably been getting hush money which might have been getting harder to procure.

This taster might be designed to induce more bush money.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wait, we know Epstein didn't kill himself.

Trump had him killed.

[–] neoman4426@fedia.io 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Conspiracy theorists are wild. Here we have Jeff Epstein's best friend, who admitted he had the same "On the younger side" tastes (in addition to on his own time bragging that if he found someone attractive he sexually assaults them and he'll get away with it because he's famous, but you aren't allowed to use that confession against him because he was in a locker room when he said it), and was in charge of the prison where he died, wished the woman who trafficked for him well, explicitly says he probably won't release files on Epstein because of "false accusations", and they don't bat an eye for even a second. But if it was anyone but Donald any one of those things individually would have them screaming that it must mean something.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

was in charge of the prison where he died

Technically the president delegates that to his Attorney General, who in this case was the son of the guy who first hired a totally unqualified Epstein (21 years old, no college degree) to be around high school age kids, where he was known for ogling girls and somehow showing up to student parties where there was underage drinking.

And some blame lays with the prosecutor back in 2008 when Epstein was first charged for sex trafficking and sexual assault, who decided to let Epstein agree to a secret plea deal for only 13 months in county jail (which is really weird for a federal prosecutor to let happen), who, oh wait, was then rewarded by becoming a cabinet official for Trump.

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Seriously, people who don't know about William Barr should look up his dad, and realize that the asshole doesn't fall far from the tree.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Just to clarify because I had to dig a bit deeper here. The federal prosecutor who struck a deal with Epstein in 2008 was Acosta. Not Barr as I had assumed.

I do find it interesting though that William Barr was counsel at Kirkland & Ellis in 2009. This is the firm that represented Epstein in 2008.

A timeline of the Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell scandal

William Barr Is the Wrong Person to Lead the Jeffrey Epstein Investigation

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

It also kind of right up the dudes personality.

Hitler had the what you could call a 'close friend' (I don't think these monsters really have any friends) executed in the night of the long knives for simply being gay.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It absolutely won't matter to a single one of his supporters.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago

Which is mine blowing because they talk so much about the Epstein list, because they believe it confirms their belief about corrupt elites, but then totally reject that the most likely guilty one is trump.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He could admit to raping little children and his base would just say these children were blessed by his dick

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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

These are just regular ass manipulative shithead moves... What else would anyone expect from Trump and Cult 45?

Like so many other things, I doubt his camp even cares.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

His base couldn't care less. He was on audio talking about dating his own daughter when she was young.

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