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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

There's like 600k people dying of cancer at any given time, and seperately theres only like 800 billionaires who are probably somewhat directly responsible for their cancer and lack of access to medical care. If I had a bucket list bc I was dying of cancer, I know what would be on it.

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[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Not essentially, we are. Soon we will have great depression 2.0

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

That is an impressive typo

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 137 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is exactly what workers mean when they say the stock market isn’t the economy.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Yeah but their entire retirement is based on it!

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 63 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Such an insidious way of keeping workers complicit in our capitalist hellscape.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Oof, somehow this escaped me, even though I participate, while hating it, and thinking at least a bit about that fact along the way. The thing doesn't have to even be deliberate if it's effective - accidentally-discovered techniques often work as well as planned/sought ones.

By which I mean, of course this situation is not some deliberate "super-rich cabal" silly scenario, but damn if the levers don't work exactly that way. My and my family's future well-being, as a strictly mandatory goal to pursue, is turned into fuel for a machine I hate (contributing to 401k), and the hope I've been soft-coerced into is a hope that the hateful thing spits out enough at the end for me to keep:

  • a roof over our heads, not otherwise guaranteed nor likely
  • continued medical care through life post-employability, not otherwise guaranteed, only somewhat likely (Medicare)
  • the limited dignity of dying with some care, but true misery along the way, as it is for almost anyone who doesn't "luck into" a sudden end...again, not otherwise guaranteed, nor fucking likely (end of life care is an absolute disaster in this country)

The folks with the resources and "character" to enjoy, exploit, and move stocks love this. The new yachts we buy them, ridiculous "homes", and the unbelievably fresh new whatever's on their idiot status comparison instruments are never-before-seen and even more egregiously wasteful than their awful rivals'.

The folks doing less well than me? I mean we don't even hear their misery, except in limited outbursts at strange times in retail and food industry settings or other such. The folks actually working themselves to death, SO many of us, are too fucking busy to even properly cry out.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 days ago

Their entire retirement is held hostage by it. Fixed it for ya.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 71 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Tax.

Tax them like there is no tomorrow.

Billionaires should simply not exist. Put a cap on total net worth and if you pass that, income tax goes to 100. If your networth goes up anyway because of stocks or whatever, tax that too. Tax stocks, homes, boats, etc.

Enormous wealth should be like the speed of light. The closer you get there, the heavier it becomes to stay there, you need to spend more and more energy to get less and less higher.

This should not be a crazy idea.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 17 points 5 days ago

Billionaires have such a heavy say in our government that it will never go that way unless it's forced.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

gilded age

Reforming capitalism will only delay end stage, not prevent it.

Imagine getting something like the early 20th century labor movement going these days. Seems impossible right? We we did do it once and guess what, we are back again. What was the point of spilling all that blood sweat and tears if we just go right back to where we started? We wasted those lives lost and ruined because we thought capitalism could be salvaged. It is not salvageable.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 54 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Profits shouldn't exist. They should be required to put that money back into the company and take a salary for themselves. Idk how this works with shareholders but they can get fucked for all I care at this point.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Companies need shareholders to get off the ground, and you don't have to be rich to be a shareholder. That's the whole idea... otherwise only the mega rich have the capital to start businesses.

Paying C-suites this much is just idiotic though. I own a few stocks, and seeing some of the companies pay executives and upper management so much to feud and slowly destroy companies makes me sick. It is not what anyone sane wants unless they're parasitic daytraders or drinking the corporate kool-aid.

Greedy capitalism is the problem, but it's also a culture problem, I think.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We used to have progressive income taxes that did this.

Reagan, Thatcher and their ilk pulled them because "trickle down, a rising tide lifts all boats, thousand points of light, blah blah blah"

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 days ago

A rising tide lifts all boats has always struck me as a strange metaphor for them to use. To me that conjures up thoughts of welfare, UBI, irreducible minimums, safety nets, etc. It seems like a great metaphor for the opposite of what they're using it for.

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago

The way you fix this is with higher, and enforced, corporate taxes. If the corporation doesn't keep the money anyways, they flow it back in.

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Very simply. Raise their taxes.

Less simply. Remove the cap on social security tax. Tax long term capital gains beyond a certain amount as regular income. Put the top rate income tax closer to 90%. Fix the god damn estate tax situation. Why on god's green earth do the children of Sam Walton occupy so much space on the Forbes 400.

[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

France will review your company's ledger if you want to fire people en masse. If you can afford to keep them you can't fire them

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean, I guess, but why complicate this stuff. We already have the systems and administration to do taxes. We could break up monopolies and enforce the laws we already have.

I'd keep it real real simple for folks. We should stop letting corporations and their owner class privatize the gains and stick the rest of society with the losses. Take the 2008 fiasco, if we are bailing out a bunch of companies we should be bailing out a bunch of home owners.

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[–] jlou@mastodon.social 12 points 5 days ago

Or we could abolish the employer-employee contract and mandate that all firms be worker coops, so that no one could appropriate the positive and negative fruits of other people's labor

@news

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

Hence the rising fascism. The corporate class knows the only way to get the common people to continue to support them is through scaremongering about imagined threats.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 26 points 5 days ago

We have been in a new gilded age since the end of the 90s...

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We have to scare the rich. Organize, agitate, break shit, etc. They have been too successful at dividing us along arbitrary lines. No war but class war. Fight back.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Partially thanks to media like you, squints eyes fortune.com...

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Can we continue with the trend and start having unions "talk" to the CEOs? 👀

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

We’re also in the Business Plot 2

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago
[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

Yeah, well, what are YOU going to do about it?!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I wish it was a Gilded Age. At least Rockefeller and Vanderbilt had some fucking taste.

All of this will happen before, and all of it will happen again. Except uglier and dumber.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm ready to eat the rich and sacrifice myself for the next generation, but I'm not a leader, I'm good at building scaffolds though. I wish we had a François Hanriot or a John Brown

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Well too bad, that's leader talk. We need you to keep fighting until nature sacrifices you.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Anyone who owns a house is a millionaire.

So we've got a tiny number of billionaires in charge.

An ever dwindling number of millionaires desperately holding onto their small privilege

An ever growing number of working poor who need two paychecks to live

Sounds like Tsarist Russia, with no single royal family to execute.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Anyone? There are lots of houses worth less than $1,000,000. Sure, by the time a mortgage is paid off and you fully own the house yourself a person should also have some savings, but I certainly wouldn't expect that to be universal.

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