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[–] bender223@lemmy.today 12 points 12 hours ago

Someone call Alanis Morisette 🤣

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 142 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It sued itself in its confusion!

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago

This isn't very effective.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 10 points 1 day ago

It would be interesting to plug an usb rubber duckie to own that station and dump all the disk somewhere

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 45 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Their NES and SNES mini consoles were also just off the shelf ARM SBCs running emulators. If I recall correctly people even found signatures of release groups in some of the ROMs.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Also the Virtual Console releases, and things like the demo games in Smash Bros. brawl,

[–] SitD@lemy.lol 15 points 1 day ago

technicians just know what's good. unfortunately every company becomes too big for its own good and inspirationless ghouls take over 😔 the palworld thing also just shows they could be so successful if they take off the shackles and make a good game, but now they want to shackle everyone else so no one can have good games

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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What's so embarrassing? Emulation for backward compatibility is done all the times

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I guess people are assuming it runs whatever third party emulator. It was at least how I first imagined it.

If that's the case, it's in my opinion very embarrassing: attempting to profit from stuff made by the community they act extremely hostile towards.

If not, I guess it's just mildly embarrassing that they have a poorly concealed windows machine taking away from the immersion.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a weird assumption. Like I said, emulation for backward compatibility is common. Do they always just wait for some random strangers to implement an emulator for them?

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 5 points 1 day ago

It's a weird assumption. Like I said, emulation for backward compatibility is common.

Nintendo has some serious emulation experts for building products, but this setup rigged by some museum staff could be anything.

Do they always just wait for some random strangers to implement an emulator for them?

Waiting? There is zero chance availability is an issue. There are many ready to go snes emulators for windows out there.

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[–] BigBootyBoy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Because Nintendo really really hates people who emulate their games

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 75 points 1 day ago (2 children)

LMAO. Fuck Nintendo and the "do as I say not as I do" BS.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Emulation is perfectly legal if you own the game.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And yet Nintendo files bogus copyright claims against emulators.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They're not bogus. The emulator that shut down were selling a product using a proprietary encryption key owned by Nintendo.

That's why Dolphin still exists.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I disagree. Sure, companies have a moral right to recoup their R&D costs on a console, but I fully reject the Divine Right of Shareholders. As long as the emulators aren't sold for profit and no one is hurt, a multibillion dollar company like Nintendo has zero moral ground to tell us that we cannot emulate consoles that we have bought to play games that we also bought.

The emulator they shut down was being sold for a profit. They haven't gone after Dolphin, which is free.

[–] kralk@lemm.ee 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 7 points 12 hours ago

Well the dev closed it without any public c&d...

Maybe the thousands of copyrighted images of amiibos hosted on https://amiibo.ryujinx.org/ ?

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[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago

~~do as I say not as I do~~

Nintendo: Money! Fuck everything else.

All other attributes derive from that.

[–] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This really isn't that surprising. They used ROMs for the classic games in Animal Crossing. They even had evidence it was from a release group, and not Nintendo's own copies

I really don't understand why this is embarrassing. I don't know the exact setup they have going on. Is it like a kiosk where people can play classic games, or is it a monitor just displaying them? They have their own emulator, Canoe, that they used for the SNES Classic. I don't remember the name of the NES one

Weren't at least some of the games in the Super Mario Collection ROMs? I guess I can see why people would expect a direct port from the company that created it, or original hardware running the original games, but it isn't like Nintendo doesn't already have a track record for this sort of thing

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's embarrassing because of how extremely litigious Nintendo is, and that they are themselves profiting using other people's work (emulators and/or ROMs acquired from the internet), the exact thing they ruin lives over.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago

I would have thought its embarrasing that they couldnt provide real hardware for an official museum

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just so we're clear, are you under the impression that "ROMs acquired from the Internet" represent something other than Nintendo's work?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, i would generally consider ripping roms as something requiring effort similar to cracking a game

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 4 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

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"Ripping" ROMs, or dumping them, takes almost no effort. If you have the cartridge reader its about as much work as taking photos off an SD card. Certainly nothing at all like cracking a game, which is pretty much software development.

Please consider informing yourself before forming strong opinions.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 21 hours ago

This is the part where I focus for half a second and realize this is about SNES and everything makes a lot more sense. I would hope newer stuff would have some form of protection 😅

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[–] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying they haven't used others work in the past, but they do have their own emulators and ROMs. They have for a long time. They are still terrible, but this just doesn't seem like a big deal to me

Edit: Also, whose lives have they ruined aside from those profiting off of distributing copyrighted material? Taking down a fan game doesn't sound life ruining

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They are banning emulators but are then using them themselves. They are banning roms but are then using those same roms themselves.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago

They are not "banning" emulators. They take action against two sorts of problems: leaking, and distribution of copyrighted material. Yuzu was taken down because they stupidly started charging for help with playing Tears of the Kingdom before its release. Other emulators have been threatened because they included binary console OS software (rather than actually fully emulating the console itself) or actually distributed game ROMs.

Dolphin has been around for about 20 years now. Why? Because they don't distribute copyrighted material, recommend against doing so, and don't require to include any binaries from the console.

Here's all they had to both say and adhere to, to "survive" the supposedly blood-hungry Nintendo for longer than some of the people reading this have been alive:


Where can I download game ISOs/ROMs?¶

Short answer: You don't. Buy games and dump them with a Wii.

Long answer: Downloading commercial games is illegal and thus strongly frowned upon by the Dolphin developers. To prevent legal issues, this includes gray areas like downloading games which you purchased earlier. You don't necessarily need to own a gaming console by yourself because you can buy a game disc and dump them with a friend's console. On the other hand, copying a friend's game dump is considered illegal again.

https://dolphin-emu.org/


Also, lol @ the idea that it's hypocrisy for them to use their own game files. You understand that's what a ROM is, right? It isn't magic. It's just a binary file.

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[–] BonerMan@ani.social 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This means you can find the pc and get THEIR OWN EMULATOR, make it open source and fuck them royally.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Implying they have their own emulator and it's not just running retroarch or something

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

Nintendo has their own emulators for running these games on newer consoles.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they would do that it would be very useful in court.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It's not illegal for Nintendo to run retroarch.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 16 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You think they wrote their own emulator instead of just taking one of the free ones on the internet (who they will likely sue later). That's cute.

[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 16 points 22 hours ago

Well yes, yes they did. It is called Canoe and is for example running inside the SNES Classic Mini. And that is not the only emulator they wrote. Writing an emulator is not some obscure magic, and it is way easier if you own all the schematics and other Information used to build the original hardware.

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