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Today in "Promptfondler fucks around and finds out."

So I'm guessing what happened here is that the statistically average terminal session doesn't end after opening an SSH connection, and the LLM doesn't actually understand what it's doing or when to stop, especially when it's being promoted with the output of whatever it last commanded.

Shlegeris said he uses his AI agent all the time for basic system administration tasks that he doesn't remember how to do on his own, such as installing certain bits of software and configuring security settings.

Emphasis added.

So the ongoing discourse about AI energy requirements and their impact on the world reminded me about the situation in Texas. It set me thinking about what happens when the bubble pops. In the telecom bubble of the 90s or the British rail bubble of the 1840s, there was a lot of actual physical infrastructure created that outlived the unprofitable and unsustainable companies that had built them. After the bubble this surplus infrastructure helped make the associated goods and services cheaper and more accessible as the market corrected. Investors (and there were a lot of investors) lost their shirts, but ultimately there was some actual value created once we were out of the bezzle.

Obviously the crypto bubble will have no such benefits. It's not like energy demand was particularly constrained outside of crypto, so any surplus electrical infrastructure will probably be shut back down (and good riddance to dirty energy). The mining hardware itself is all purpose-built ASICs that can't actually do anything apart from mining, so it's basically turning directly into scrap as far as I can tell.

But the high-performance GPUs that these AI operations rely on are more general-purpose even if they're optimized for AI workloads. The bubble is still active enough that there doesn't appear to be much talk about it, but what kind of use might we see some of these chips and datacenters put to as the bubble burns down?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] FredFig@awful.systems 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm thoroughly convinced Musk is an AI generated person and his life's goal is simply to find the AI that generated him.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 1 week ago

The world is a simulation and Musk has a green jewel above his head.

[–] self@awful.systems 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've definitely seen this kind of meme format, to be fair. But generally speaking I think we should make a rule that in order to be considered satire or joking something should need to actually be funny.

Viral internet celebrity podcaster says in-depth Marxist economic analysis? Funny

Viral internet celebrity podcaster breaks down historical context of Game of Thrones? Funny

Viral internet celebrity podcaster says the same VPN marketing schpiel as every other podcaster? Not. Funny.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Following up from this truth bomb: https://awful.systems/comment/4877052

@Soyweiser: Sorry AGIbros, not even the Dutch believe AGI is near.

For your delectation, here are the HN comments

I'm in the other camp: I remember when we thought an AI capable of solving Go was astronomically impossible and yet here we are. This article reads just like the skeptic essays back then.

Ah yes my coworkers communicate exclusively in Go games and they are always winning because they are AI and I am on the street, poor.

There's not that much else to sneer at though, plenty of reasonable people.

Here's the lobste.rs disucssion: https://lobste.rs/s/4xzxqk

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

oh i dunno, there was

Honestly - Computer Science has given us more clues about how the human mind might work than cognitive science ever did.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This remark is actually part of a long fight between CS and CS people. And it is really frustrating in various ways, as CS always thinks they did better than CS while being blind of the actual accomplishments of CS they don't know and just how complex the subject matter is. It is an annoying failure to communicate between both disciplines. (A lot of people don't fall victim to this btw, but it can be really annoying to encounter a 'Our CS is good, and theirs is bad because strawman', who often don't even realize that various words have different meanings in the different fields).

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For the record, I think the Counter-Strike people are correct on this one, mainly because heuristically Confederate States advocates are wrong by default.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly the problem im talking about. What about all the good things the confederate state ... no wait.