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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 98 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As Wiktionary puts it:

The word data is more often used as an uncountable noun with a singular verb than as a plural noun with singular datum.

It's like "hair". You can hold a single 'hair', you can also hold three hairs. But if you're looking at an entire mane, you ain't counting, so it's referred to as "hair" again.

[–] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but for example, IEEE conference paper templates explicitly state "The word 'data' is plural, not singilar". So if you use it with a singular verb you will receive this post in an email and you can only say thank you and change it.

[–] tulliandar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the word “data” is only one word, so “data is plural”

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm whooshed, but you understand the concept of uncountable nouns, right?

[–] tulliandar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The noun I’m referring to is the word “data” not the data themselves. “Data data” is 2 words, “data” is one word. The word (singular) “data” is plural

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Latin, sure. But the word "datum" isn't a part of English, so we have instead the uncountable noun "data" which is derived from the Latin.

[–] EffortlessEffluvium@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Datum is indeed a word in English. Singular point of information.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 7 points 2 days ago

The piece of data and the data overall suggest that...

Over categorization is a lie that only causes more problems. Stop the forcing of categorizing things. Just let things exist.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

This is just an datum point

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Three whole hours and the descriptivists haven't come by to tell us there are no rules to language. This might be a record.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There definitely are rules to language, which are determined by how the language is actually used. The issue with prescriptivists is that they invent their own rules which often go against how the language is used, i.e. the rules are nonsense.

Take the "less vs fewer" argument. Everyone happily uses 'less' in pretty much the same way for nearly a millennium, then some prescriptivist asswipe comes along and says they don't like it so now there's a rule. Prescriptivists spend the next couple of centuries yelling about their new rule and creaming themselves over how they're now 'better' at the language than other people while everyone else just doesn't give a fuck and continue to speak normally.

In the end language is just a tool to communicate ideas. If you clearly understood someone but whine because they ignored your made up rules you're the asshole.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought it would be fewer

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm kinda getting the urge to lick between this guy's front teeth just to see what it feels/tastes like.

[–] m4xie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago

Ew so disgusting. Why would you even suggest something like that???

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 16 points 2 days ago

I'm getting the urge to run screaming and call the authorities.

I have switched to just saying dataset

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok... Data are a character on Star Trek.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that be a correct thing to say if Data uses singular they/them pronouns?

[–] LynneOfFlowers@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago

I guess I tend to use data as a mass noun when referring to computer data ("there's a lot of data on that drive") and as a regular noun when referring to data in the scientific sense ("these data show xyz")

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Data is as data does.