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It Shouldn't Even Be Close: Harris Must Ditch Genocide and Embrace Working-Class Politics (www.commondreams.org)

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By Ralph Nader October 5, 2024

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Spoiler: she won't. Werhmacht Walz already expressed support for "Greater Israel," ie accelerated and expanded settler-colonialism and genocide.

Harris supports Israel because the US Empire needs it. It serves as a rabid dog for the US to terrorize the Middle East, securing the Petro-Dollar by which the US maintains monopoly over global Financial Capital, and Imperialism in the Global South.

She will not change, it isn't a moral issue but an economic one.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Zionist. They're both Zionists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Absolutely.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Werhmacht Walz already expressed support for "Greater Israel,"

Holy shit where?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The VP debate.

TW: Well, thank you. And thank you for those joining at home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started. October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1400 Israelis and took prisoners. Iran, or, Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental, getting its hostages back, fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. You saw it experienced today, where, along with our Israeli partners and our coalition, able to stop the incoming attack. But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter. It's clear.

Emphasis mine.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh. I don't think he meant physical expansion of the country's borders, but you never know with these people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is in the context of Israel trying to annex parts of Lebanon, Israeli real estate is already frothing at the mouths looking for apartments to rent. If it isn't intentional, it's extremely ignorant.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In that case holy shit what the fuck? Like did he seriously have to say that in this political climate? Why is nobody talking about this?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many Leftists are talking about this, the problem is that Liberals are weathervanes, they attack the fascists when the fascists are in charge and attack the leftists when the Liberals are in charge.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

the problem is that Liberals are weathervanes

In every American community, you have varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

When you're talking about the loss of American Citizens, sometimes you've got to pander to the American people.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The number of Zionists who don't want to expand is quite few. If you're a Zionist, then you're a colonialist by definition.

Colonialists gonna colonize.

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

It's far more preferable to the ruling class for the Republicans to win one.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 9 points 1 month ago

She's not a progressive tho. Why would you expect her to gave progressive policies?

[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I watched it. It was clearly a mistake he meant to say Iran. Even Vance was confused by what he said. Who are Israel’s proxies? “Iran and its proxies” is a very common line used to describe the various organisations with links to and support from Iran and Waltz was nervous at the start of the debate and stumbling his lines.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there

This have absolutely zero sense if he wanted to say "Iran". Expansion of Iran would be absolute fundamental necessity for the United States??? In all other times when he speaks about Iran he's total hawk and sometimes even already speaks like there is open war between US and Iran.

[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Expansion of Iran is a fundamental necessity for the United States to deal with

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not what he said, he said:

But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.

Even assuming it really was brainfart, dude who make multiple such brainfarts in a single sentence, entirely changing the meaning of his speech shouldn't be even village post worker, not to mention Vice President of USA.

And considering what he said exactly fits and is consistent with both US decalrations and actions, this wasn't a brainfart, it was something much worse for them: a moment of sincerity.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

What the dems care about is that their donors keep funding them. If they lose the election, then it doesn't actually matter because they'll still get the same money they're getting now. However, if they win the election and piss off the donors then they lose money.