You're comparing apples to oranges here, but of course Ventoy is a more versatile tool, after one time preparation you're just copying ISOs like files, you can use multiple ISOs at once etc, also do you really need a clunky electron app to burn images on Linux
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Balena Etcher is a writer that does one ISO at a time. Other similar options are Fedora Writer, Rufus, etc.
Ventoy is one that can do multiple ISOs and is generally easy to manage.
However, be aware that Ventoy has a lot of unknown code involved. There's binary blobs that the maintainer refuses to open source, so there's a big question over whether it's hiding some malware or is using unpatched packages. Nobody knows except the maintainer, and it's just his word saying it's safe. You could use it to test out ISOs, but I wouldn't personally use it to actually install a system.
Also, the Ventoy fanbois are pretty insufferable, and they tend to brigade anyone that speaks ill of Ventoy or its dev.
If you want something similar that's open source, Glim works and could be a good option; YUMI has been around for a while, but I dunno if it's still a good project or not.
Edit: typo
Also, the Ventoy fanbois are pretty insufferable, and they tend to brigade anyone that speaks ill of Ventoy or its dev.
I more often see a different picture, where any mention of Ventoy leads to unreasonable agression and screams about how storing multiple ISOs on the same disk is useless.
I have quite literally never seen that. The majority of the time, somebody brings up Ventoy, somebody mentions the opaque blobs or some other legitimate criticism, and a bunch of fanbois pile onto that person for having their own opinions or concerns.
Ventoy works well, but the lack of transparency concerns me and people like me.
Can you point to some discussion of the ventoy blobs? I had never heard about that and can't find anything that says it's not GPL3.
Maybe start here, but there's lots of discussion on the post.
Should I be worried? I was distro hopping for a bit and put together a Ventoy drive to make that easier, and I used it to boot the install iso for the distro I ultimately decided on for my gaming laptop. It seemed highly recommended and I didn't know about the Ventoy bros at that point.
This thread made me look at this issue. Realistically it's not a big issue, the VAST majority of the binary blobs are accounted for and have a script or a readme file that shows where they're downloaded from.
That being said I will take a serious look at alternatives.
I want to use Glim too, because the binary Blobs in Ventoy are bugging me a lot. But Glim is a bit limited still: README
My experience has been that the safest filesystem to use is FAT32 (surprisingly!), though it will mean that ISO images greater than 4GB won't be supported. Other filesystems supported by GRUB2 also work, such as ext3/ext4, NTFS and exFAT, but the boot of the distributions must also support it, which isn't the case for many with NTFS (Ubuntu does, Fedora doesn't) and exFAT (Ubuntu doesn't, Fedora does). So FAT32 stays the safe bet.
Yep. It's probably fine for most people, but it's still a trade-off between transparency and utility. Ventoy is superior functionality, but those blobs bug me, too, and the fact that the dev is so openly hostile towards transparency is concerning.
Cool! I might give that a try instead of the Ventoy i use regularly. Thanks for the info !
I liked etcher before balena bought it. The cli was small and easy to use. After the buyout it got super bloated.
USBImager does the same thing.
Those are two completely different programs. balencaEtcher is for flashing an ISO to the USB stick. Basically its like installing an operating system on your hard drive, but it installs it on the USB drive. It will make it bootable. If you want a different OS, you have to completely flash the drive and replace whats there.
Ventoy will also make the USB stick bootable, but it will not flash an operating system onto it. It's more like a general launcher of ISO files. This means, you only install Ventoy once and then can drag and drop ISO files to a folder. If you boot Ventoy from USB stick, it will show a list of all available ISO files. Choose one and it boots into the distribution, like you would have flashed it with balencaEtcher.
The advantage of Ventoy is clear: Easy replaceable ISO files and having many to choose from withing a single installation. Filenames of ISOs doesn't matter and they can be placed in sub directories in the ISO folder I think. Ventoy will just list all available ISOs you can choose and boot into. The disadvantage is, that some distributions or hardware might not work well with Ventoy, but that's not my experience so far.
Love ventoy. That one usb becomes a Swiss army chainsaw.
But as said elsewhere it hides proprietary blobs among other things.
I use Ventoy regularly but im too lazy to setup Grub2 on a USB and load up isos.
Not sure who these Ventoy fanbois or bros are.
Yup Ventoy does hide binary blobs and has some dodgy devs and code. Use at own risk.
Also I dont have any sensitive stuff. So mostly Ventoy is used to install playground server isos and stuff. Not much use for it otherwise.
Belena is simpler, it’s just writing an image to a drive.
Ventoy is complicated and changes the booted image to make it work. That sometimes breaks things.