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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Then run in local elections and fight for ranked choice voting instead of only running sybolic national campaigns that only serve to spoil the left-leaning vote...

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Just wanted to toss in Star Voting as an alternative I was just informed about yesterday. Seems to be more RCV than RCV.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In order to maintain ballot status and to run as third party candidates at lower levels, they actually have to run at the presidential level in many states. They're forced to run a presidential candidate and split the vote, or else they're locked out of many states.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Sounds like it would be better to fight against this form of disenfranchisement rather than rolling over and saying "we have to split the vote if we want to run in other elections".

Or, at least, if they're going to split the vote to maintain ballot access, they could try actually using that ballot access to run candidates in smaller elections.

But they don't...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then run in local elections and fight for ranked choice voting

Will never work. The second a third party starts gaining traction, both the DNC and GOP collaborate against them. Ranked choice voting isn't sufficient either, and even if it was, the DNC and GOP will only allow minor implementations at local levels to make it seem like voting works, and will toss the football back and forth forever. It will not work.

instead of only running sybolic national campaigns that only serve to spoil the left-leaning vote...

There is no left-leaning party other than the Greens and PSL in this election. Reform is impossible, only revolution can actually implement leftist change, which is why PSL even participates to begin with. It's to tear the curtains back and show the kabuki theatre for what it is.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maine and Alaska use Ranked Choice voting. It has worked already.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Yes, minor implementations that won't change anything at scale. The carrot to keep you trying in vain.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Democracy is being forced to vote for people who don't represent you.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

"Just vote harder this time, the democrats will do a total reversal and let a leftist party be voted in in the future!" Lmao.

The good thing about PSL's participation is that it highlights the ludicrous idea that electoralism will ever benefit the working class, hopefully more liberals see the blatant dictatorship of the bourgeoisie we live in and become radicalized.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Bipartisan shit is always the most blatantly evil

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Uniparty assemble

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh but everyone tells me I need to vote for one of these parties anyway!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Realistically, no one who was going to vote for Claudia De La Crúz is going to vote for Kamala now, they are going to swap to Jill Stein. This doesn't really benefit the Democrats anyways.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago

https://georgiarecorder.com/briefs/georgia-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-by-independents-west-de-la-cruz-to-count-their-votes/

Reading this non-paywalled article, it seems like the Georgia Supreme Court was consistent with previous rulings regarding electors versus candidates.

[–] capital@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“But the defect that prevents independent presidential candidates West and De la Cruz from appearing on Georgia’s ballot does not pertain to the number of signatures acquired; it is that West’s electors and De la Cruz’s electors filed no nomination petitions at all,” Warren wrote

https://apnews.com/article/georgia-election-cornel-west-cruz-ballot-access-7e819ec5e06925e88bc36a20b0d69526

This is who you want representing you? They couldn’t even properly get started, seemly because of a misunderstanding of the law.

I also find this quite telling:

A spokesperson for West’s campaign urged voters to still choose him even though such ballots wouldn’t be counted.

You had no chance before though third party voters don’t like to admit it. Now you literally have no chance in hell and yet you still want to siphon votes. Hmm.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe if de la Cruz was actually serious, they should actually be campaigning? They have eleven events over the next month (the last month before the election) and eight of them are in California (which is useless to her other than that sweet, sweet fundraising). One event in Oregon, one in Wisconsin, and one in Arizona (where she’s not even on the ballot or registered for write-ins).

Obviously back who you want, but complaining about major party candidates while backing people who can’t even be bothered to put the work into run is a strange decision.