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By Jeremy Hsu on September 24, 2024


Popular smart TV models made by Samsung and LG can take multiple snapshots of what you are watching every second – even when they are being used as external displays for your laptop or video game console.

Smart TV manufacturers use these frequent screenshots, as well as audio recordings, in their automatic content recognition systems, which track viewing habits in order to target people with specific advertising. But researchers showed this tracking by some of the world’s most popular smart TV brands – Samsung TVs can take screenshots every 500 milliseconds and LG TVs every 10 milliseconds – can occur when people least expect it.

“When a user connects their laptop via HDMI just to browse stuff on their laptop on a bigger screen by using the TV as a ‘dumb’ display, they are unsuspecting of their activity being screenshotted,” says Yash Vekaria at the University of California, Davis. Samsung and LG did not respond to a request for comment.

Vekaria and his colleagues connected smart TVs from Samsung and LG to their own computer server. Their server, which was equipped with software for analysing network traffic, acted as a middleman to see what visual snapshots or audio data the TVs were uploading.

They found the smart TVs did not appear to upload any screenshots or audio data when streaming from Netflix or other third-party apps, mirroring YouTube content streamed on a separate phone or laptop or when sitting idle. But the smart TVs did upload snapshots when showing broadcasts from the TV antenna or content from an HDMI-connected device.

The researchers also discovered country-specific differences when users streamed the free ad-supported TV channel provided by Samsung or LG platforms. Such user activities were uploaded when the TV was operating in the US but not in the UK.

By recording user activity even when it’s coming from connected laptops, smart TVs might capture sensitive data, says Vekaria. For example, it might record if people are browsing for baby products or other personal items.

Customers can opt out of such tracking for Samsung and LG TVs. But the process requires customers to either enable or disable between six and 11 different options in the TV settings.

“This is the sort of privacy-intrusive technology that should require people to opt into sharing their data with clear language explaining exactly what they’re agreeing to, not baked into initial setup agreements that people tend to speed through,” says Thorin Klosowski at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital privacy non-profit based in California.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2449198-smart-tvs-take-snapshots-of-what-you-watch-multiple-times-per-second/ (paywall!!)

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Mine isn't connected to the internet. Too bad so sad greedy fucks

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[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 70 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

THIS is piracy. Along with all the other personal data selling.

[–] dan@upvote.au 29 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Don't let your TV connect to the internet. I have mine on my wifi so I can control them using Home Assistant, but they're on an isolated VLAN with no internet access.

Edit: Of course, this only works if you use an external box for streaming, like an Nvidia Shield, Apple TV, Google Chromecast TV or whatever they call it now, etc.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 4 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Wait what? Is there a blog or article on how to do this?

Because I can't picture how this works in my head for my setup. It needs internet to go to Hulu/Netflix/etc.

[–] dan@upvote.au 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Oh sorry, I completely forgot to mention that. I'm using an Nvidia Shield for all my streaming.

Another approach is to connect the TV to the internet but block all LG/Samsung/whatever stuff, for example by using a firewall on your router.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Oh that's neat with Nvidia shield!

I currently do the pi-hole and block calls route.

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 10 hours ago

Some newer TVs are starting to have hard-coded DNS servers, which means they'll bypass most PiHole configurations.

You could try configure your router to redirect all DNS traffic (UDP port 53) to your PiHole server, but that won't work of they're using DoH (DNS over HTTPS) which is becoming more and more common.

[–] WarMarshalEmu@lemm.ee 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The TV itself wouldn't be able to reach Hulu/Netflix/etc. they're likely using another device for that. Like a media computer or something else.

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 33 points 20 hours ago

Theoretically I could display highly illegal stuff and they would distribute it making them complicit?

Can the API be hacked to flood their servers with petabytes of cat pictures?

What is happening with the data? Where are the data savers?

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 27 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

Buy a computer monitor, a projector or a commercial display instead, they tend to be dumb.

Alternatively, don't connect your TV to the internet (bear in mind some are wireless). Unplug it from the wall when not in use.

As if Microsoft's Recall wasn't enough...

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Alternatively, don't connect your TV to the internet

Until the first use menu gauntlet requires an internet connection to complete setup and enable the device for normal usage.

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[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Samsung monitors now include all the smart TV crap and need a remote to set them up

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[–] grainOfSalt@lemm.ee 28 points 1 day ago
[–] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 9 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Time should have stopped to 1999.

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[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Use a pihole people, don't go barebacking the internet

[–] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't help if the device has a baked in DNS address and just ignores your settings tho. Amazon and Google devices seem prone to that. After blocking everything on the common DNS ports except the PiHole, some of my devices have been acting kinda sluggish.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Easy to block that - though not with pihole exclusively.

We use another tool at our network edge to block all 53/853 traffic and redirect all port 53 traffic to our internal DNS resolver (works much like pihole).

Then we also block all DoH.

Only two devices have failed using this strategy: Chromecast - which refuses to work if it can’t access googles DNS. And Philips Hue bridges. Both lie and say “internet offline”. Every other device - even some of the questionable ones on a special VLAN for devices we don’t trust - work just fine and fall back to the router-specified DNS.

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 18 hours ago

A DNS filter is no protection lol

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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The divide between the tech savvy and the tech illiterate grows deeper.

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[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 day ago (7 children)

yep, never allow them to connect to the internet

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