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[–] TotalCasual@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Edit: I'm sorry for the lack of tl; dr. There's a general drop off of quality, weird social media garbage, a lot of systemic problems, etc. What I'm trying to say here is hard to summarize

Aside from the fact that it's mass produced garbage, I can actually say that I'm old enough to have experienced a period of anime where the production values, writing, and dialogue weren't exactly terrible.

I think a good example of my gripe with anime today is watching something like Fate Zero and then following that up with Heaven's Feel. The distinct drop in quality between those 2 adaptations is pretty stark.

The original Yu-Gi-Oh anime was absolutely wild. It's dumb in a uniquely entertaining fashion. There were so many sequels that were produced for Yu-Gi-Oh and every single one of them was completely terrible.

Watching Tenchi Muyo's OVA part 1 and part 2 was fairly enjoyable. Part 3 is so much worse for seemingly no good reason.

The third Tenchi Muyo film was abjectly terrible. It's quite possibly one of the worst films that has ever been made.

FLCL season 1 was legendary. Season 2 and 3 were substantially worse.

The new Evangelion films weren't exactly great.

Even as far back as Pokemon season 1, that season was pretty okay. Almost everything past the first 2 seasons were.... really bad....

There have been some bad adaptions for Berserk that have been mentioned from time to time.

Dragonball Super is weird. Nobody really seems to like Super. Even people who watch Super regularly treat it as some kind of Frankenstein monster.

Gundam has been pretty consistently not good for well over a decade. Gundam Wing was pretty insane. It started off with some super questionable writing and poor voice acting, and then it ended off being probably the best thing Gundam has ever been. And everything that followed was.... not very good...

Naruto was followed by Boruto. It's pretty bad. A large chunk of the 2nd half of Naruto was just not good.

I've seen people defend Hunter X Hunter's Chimera Ant arc so brazenly. And still, it's genuinely not good. Which is amazing, because almost everything prior to that arc was crazy good.

To be fair, a lot of these problems stem from the fact that the work being adapted is also consistently worse. It's not just anime. A lot of this coincides with the same drop in quality in the manga industry as well.

The nearly universal drop in quality across the anime and manga industries has been... frustrating...

Even more frustrating is the overwhelming number of fake reviews, shilling, bot spam, etc that are meant to hide negative reviews about anime and pretty much anything involving Japanese media.

The amount of weird shit that gets posted to review sites and social media in order to hide the general negativity towards the anime industry is just gross and weird.

Another poster, Ace T'Ken, brought up a lot of specifics about the problems with anime in general. It's a pretty good write-up, imo.

My take is, I think that these problems are more "noticeable" in modern anime. But, almost all anime have these kinds of problems to one degree or another, new and old.

It's pretty systemic. I still think that these issues became a lot more noticeable coinciding with a general drop in quality across the whole industry.

I would like to say, it's not like I dislike anime "inherently". But, there's just so much bad anime.

[–] _spiffy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Hate is a strong word. But I have never really cared for it. The content I have watched felt like it was the trillby wearing "um actually" kid writing his own edgey story. And something about the yelling outbursts I have seen a few times make me want to curl up and die.

[–] anonymous111@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I used to get Cartoon Network as a kid. I watched Outlaw Star and really enjoyed it. However, in one of the later episodes they crowbarred in a topless jacuzzi scene for no reason.

That sums up my anime experience.

I watched Dragon Ball Z and a bit of Gundam Wing but never really enjoyed them.

I bump into Dragon Ball Z fans occasionally and they're pushing 35 and have themed pillows etc. I think that is mad but I've met more than one person like that.

I have no themed things in my house nor would in buy any.

P.S. I enjoyed Samurai Jack and often say "Long ago in a different land" randomly to my partner.

Any recommendations based on the above?

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Try Noir. It's a crime thriller about a pair of assassins who stumble into a conspiracy. Never tries to be sexy even though the leads are women in their early twenties. Has a bit of that Samurai Jack energy where there often isn't much dialogue and it's carried by action and the musical score. Also never went past cult classic status so you're not likely to run into creepy fans. Or any fans, really.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you hate it because of tits?

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

crowbarred in

I think when they said that, the implication was that there was no need for such. I.e. it interrupted the flow of the story and didn't add anything useful, other than perhaps pandering to a certain crowd.

[–] anonymous111@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

It was like corporate said "You've gone 6 episodes and we haven't seen the antagonists tits. Spin the wheel... Add a hot tub to their space ship and have a bath scene for no reason."

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 months ago

Even though I kinda like the aesthetics, especially for AI image generation, and I'm a kind of a nerd (it's popularly said that nerds like animes), I don't like nor hate, I simply don't care to know and watch animes. Not only animes, but also animated movies and series, as well as mangas.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Chiming in as someone who actually owns a few different anime on DVD/blu-ray.

My whole thing is that I like good media. Anime is a medium. There's good anime out there. As many have already said, those're few and far between because the vast majority of people working in the medium seem determined to pigeonhole it as genre trash and perv shit.

I kinda stopped watching anime early in my 20s. The late 00s into the 10s seemed like the absolute worst period of time for worthwhile anime being made. I've sat through a few more current big-name ones since then and shit hasn't improved.

So yeah, I don't hate anime as a medium, I just hate like 99% of the medium's content

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Americans fetishizing Japanese culture is gross enough without the awful, verbose, melodramatic storytelling. Also the Japanese language is fucking hard and I'm not particularly interested in learning it. I'd watch the fuck out of Korean anime if their storytelling wasn't just as thick, though.

[–] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Besides the fact that 3/4 of it is emotional pornography, it's a trigger for my PTSD.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Because they don't understand it and claim it's all the same. That's like saying "I don't like dramas."

[–] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So you're saying that everyone that dislikes anime "just doesn't get it" ? That's a pretty silly take.

I've watched about 100 different shows and all kinds of anime genres over many years but I stopped because I can't do it anymore

Most Anime shows suffer from the same issues. Personally The 2 most difficult things to deal with in are:

- Incredibly frustrating dialogue

I hate how characters speak in an extremely unrealistic and cringy way. It throws me off every time and I can't connect with the characters. It doesn't need to be realistic dialogue of course. I just think that anime is very far removed from acceptable dialogue, even for a show

- Shows never go beyond their basic tropes

Edgy anime is edgy and then nothing else. Every slice of life is just that and nothing else. Everything is extremely formulaic and you're just left with the characters. And the characters are unidimensional. Please add some substance to the plot. Create more human and imperfect characters. Every character represents a trope and has no more nuance than that. The clumsy character is just clumsy. The bully character is just a bully. The main character is either the smartest or the most powerful being in the universe. EVERY TIME.

Seinen anime is a bit better regarding this last point. but it's still too much. I can't sit through an episode without cringing several times. Especially over the dialogue

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

Your comment reminded me of this very old meme

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