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What advice would you give to someone who is trying to teach themselves software development skills? I'm doing that right now, and I'm finding it easy to understand, yet difficult to implement in computer code. I want to move onto more advanced stuff, but I feel that I don't have enough experience quite yet. What skills/courses would you recommend I take? How did you get better on your coding journey? Any tips to make the process go faster? Thanks in advance!

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[–] jmk1ng@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BUILD SOMETHING.

Learning concepts without the ability to apply them are essentially useless.

Get your hands dirty and build something that would be valuable to you and solve a problem for yourself.

Don't get hung up on doing it "right". Focus on making it work. Don't worry about how it'll work for a million users. Right now your focus is on making it work for one user.

As you go you'll hit walls. Research how to get past them and keep going. Again, you're going to make mistakes. DO NOT GET HUNG UP ON THIS.

Making mistakes is part of the journey. Even the best software engineers in the world rarely get things right their first try. It's part of the process.

[–] Mesa@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I think this is the best answer. You can follow tutorials and read others' code all you want, but until you have a real-world application of what you're learning, the information you're consuming might as well be lost to the cosmos.

If you want structure, there are plenty of courses on YouTube that can start you out with fundamental knowledge; but as you continue to learn, taking on your own projects increasingly becomes the most efficient way to develop as a developer.

And, of course, there is a place for reading other people's code. I just think that this "method" is popularly miscredited as the way to learn coding, rather than as a tool to fortify your skills.

[–] russmatney@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing i undervalued for most of my career was just reading code.

Get into the habit of digging into open source repos that catch your curiousity, and try to grok the way the project is layed out, what namespaces/files exist, what some of the core functions are, where the complexity is housed.

It’s all about getting exposure to patterns, especially if there aren’t other people to work with in your day to day.

[–] nibblebit@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Don't teach yourself complex software dev skills. Teach yourself complex software problems and learn how others have solved them in the past.

[–] vcmj@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Like others have said, practice is key, however I'd like to add that you should not feel too discouraged if it feels like you're making no progress. You're probably making more headroom than you realize. At least personally in programming more than anything else I have occasionally only seen results after I came back to a concept I gave up on learning.

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Do be aware of getting stuck in local minimum though. I know it probably feels like bad advice but I figured I'd give it since it helped me personally, so maybe it might help someone else.

[–] oessessnex@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

First focus on working on projects instead of improving your skills. The concepts you learn are usually a solution to some problem. Things are easier if you first encounter the problem yourself and then learn the solution, than if you do it in reverse. It is ok to do things poorly when you are starting out.

[–] gnus_migrate@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

When you're at that point, it's usually a sign that you need to start applying what you learned. There are two parts of programming:

  1. The concepts, the theory which is honestly the fun part.
  2. Dealing with the little annoyances, setting up a development environment, learning APIs, wiring things together, running into problems there is no clean solution for and implementing something that works.

The second part feels unimportant, something you can always learn later, but it takes time to learn and get good at, and what you need to learn to start to effectively apply more advanced concepts. Otherwise you're learning things you won't be able to use.

[–] LogicRaven@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Keep practicing.

Read other people's code, for example open source project. Contributing to open source can be good practice also.

Find a mentor.

Pick a team at work that has the skills and culture+capacity to mentor you.

[–] Sagar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By not learning. Software should be simple not complex.

[–] douglasg14b@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Software has to model the real world, and the real world is complex. Not to mention that software is not a perfect abstraction, you will have to solve hard problems such as scaling.

Software complexity is unavoidable, how you reduce and control the impacts of that complexity is how you build maintainable software.

Are you sure you should be answering questions here?🤔

[–] Sagar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Welcome to suckless.org

Yes, some things need optimization but most don't. Today, there is unnecessary complication by having a billion dependencies and using autocode generators which generate 10k lines of code from 100 lines.

[–] douglasg14b@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are conflating necessary complexity vs unnecessary complexity. And assuming that all things are the later, without acknowledging that yes there are many applications that must scale, and that most non-trivial applications must deal with real world complexity. Nevermind scaling being a simple example of a complex problem, not a statement about it's necessity...

I would expect devs here to be experienced enough to understand and differentiate those two, as such assuming the worst isn't a good fit and prevents fruitful discussion.

I would suggest you reconsider the premise you are using here, you appear to be here to complain, not to share and learn.

[–] Sagar@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago

Give me an example of some software. Implementations of models for weather prediction, CAD softwares, games is difficult, but most software is simple. Even the above softwares don't require the kind of today is served. What do you do in software?

In simple language, code is implementation of some logic into a set of sequential binary. It doesn't have to be complex at all! On the contrary, it's meant to be simple. If it isn't simple, your algorithm is logically unsound.

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