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So genuinely curious, i have heard the tianonmen square massacre never happened, but if that is the case, could somebody kindly explain this picture? Thanks! And much love comrades

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[–] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

A few things to notice about this picture:

(1). This is on a street, not in Tiananmen Square

(2). The vast majority of blurry blotches on the picture are just bicycles

(3). Most of the few people in the picture are clearly alive, since they're propping themselves up on their elbows.

The Chinese line is not that "Nothing happened on June 4th". They call it the June 4th incident, there were a few hundred casualties (half of which were on the government side), and was an conflict between the police and armed radicals, not a massacre of defenseless student protestors. What is depicted in this picture fits completely with the Chinese narrative of events.

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Let this post be a reference for all of us. I always find counter propaganda material about this hard to find.

All YouTube videos about it are a incomprehensible montage of chaos and blood.

Is there anything in video form to debunk or add more context to those? What's the origin of the bloody images?

I'll follow all of the references I can find in this post, plus the debunking pdf. But! Video form would be so useful, comrades!

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"Tiananmen Square protests never happened" is more of a meme outside China. I believe most people understand it did happen, just making jokes on Chinese officials trying to make it look it didn't.

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You can't even spell the place's name correctly, have a keyboard smash username, and lurked for four months before turning up with the single-most sealioned question to communism since the famine that crackers insist was a genocide. Forgive me if I express extreme doubt in your camaraderie.

tl;dr, no investigation, no right to speech.

[–] kristina@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

so many dead bicycles, and china claims to have good public transport? smh

[–] ReformOrDDRevolution@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You made an account and waited 4 months to post this?

[–] dghgrdesxc@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, long time lurker, i enjoy this place a lot, happened to see this and thought i would get some thoughts. I also posted because the reddit blackout, and mostly wanted to add engagement here.

[–] ReformOrDDRevolution@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, I didn't know if you were engaging in good faith.

Here is somewhere to start: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#what-about-the-tiananmen-square-massacre