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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 263 points 4 months ago (20 children)

Once they legalized coups, they lost all legitimacy in my opinion.

The SCOTUS situation is scarier than the POTUS situation which was already frightening enough.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago (4 children)

*Coups are only legal if initiated by the President.

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[–] SynAcker@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Don't forget they legalized bribery long before making coups legal. That's when they were testing the waters. Now they know they can be blatent with their rulings and noone will hold them accountable.

Frankly, the writing has been on the wall since they overturned the election in 2000; it’s just gotten a lot more blatant.

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[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 191 points 4 months ago (9 children)

So Bernie & AOC are the only ones I've heard that call for change of the SCOTUS.

Only ones serving the people & deserving of support in many aspects.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 86 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's understandable since they are the most popular.

My city's senator called it out on the news and it's not getting any attention from mainstream media.

And remember that it's only been about 48 hours since Biden can legally assassinate anybody so right now, the news is kinda uncertain how to play this out.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My city's senator

You mean representative?

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[–] lets_get_off_lemmy@reddthat.com 19 points 4 months ago

There are others that don't get the coverage, but yeah, pretty fuckin lame anyway. If only for the fact that they don't get the coverage.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 140 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As correct as Bernie Sanders has been his entire life, he's also right here.

Granting one branch of government absolute and unfettered authority is the end of stable government.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SCOTUS has nearly unfettered authority as long as Congress remains dysfunctional in keeping them in check. They’re just passing the power along.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 93 points 4 months ago (8 children)

It's not too late to pack that fucker. Sinema and Manchin could sit it out while Harris breaks the ties. Judicial nominations do not have the filibuster. If you're looking for a campaign season pick me up, this kind of direct response to SCOTUS going off the rails is something that could do it.

Fucking fight Dems, and you'll get backed up. We're tired of watching you do nothing while the GOP pisses on everything. This would be a great way to demonstrate that a vote for Biden is for more than a neoliberal order controlling a sleepy old man.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Dems could also get rid of the filibuster right now. Getting rid of it completely only requires a majority and Republicans already proved they will drop it the moment it isn't useful to them to obstruct Dems like they did with judicial nominations.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 73 points 4 months ago (5 children)
[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (31 children)

Bidens guys already came out saying they don't want to reform the Supreme Court. It's not on the ballot this cycle.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 37 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Yeah I just saw that. Ridiculous.
And in 2 years he'll probably "regret" not doing anything.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (5 children)

2 years he might come to regret that decision in January when Trump usess his new powers to lock his ass up.

If fucking Biden lose in November he better use that new gift to stop Trump. Dumbass really wants to use this to fundraiser on, Biden so out of fucking touch he got no clue that we are just this vote away from a Christofascist state.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He knows, but the thing is that the Democrats are about as afraid of fascism as you are gasoline in your car. They use the threat of fascism to help scare people to the polls and to donate money, which is partly why they never seem to be in a big hurry to squash it. Problem being, of course, that people eventually get fear fatigue and stop paying attention. Kinda like how in the wake of 9/11, the government would announce terror threat levels, and they were always orange or red, indicating super double plus serious danger, and eventually people stopped caring because life must go on. Well, people get fatigued of it and then the fascists win again, which provides another big, though temporary, shot of support to the democrats. Meanwhile, the democrats don't have to make any real, serious campaign or policy commitments besides "don't be fascist". Everything else they do (and don't get me wrong, they do some good stuff sometimes) is just running up the score. So, for the centrist democrats that run the DNC and Biden campaign, this feels like a pretty good Wednesday for fundraising, even though we all see it as the literal end of the Republic. They've been walking on the ice so long, they're convinced that while it is thin, they couldn't possibly fall through.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Plenty of the sitting Dems in Congress are millionaires who think they will do well under fascism anyway.

The Dems LARP as an anti-GOP force while secretly being OK with the GOP policies. It's all theater for the plebs, to convince us the lesser evil is keeping a larger evil at bay. All lies.

That's why the Dems are so goddamn anemic. The Dems love the status quo too, they just want little tweaks here and there, nothing disruptive.

Gavin Newsom (D) is why California does not have single payer healthcare today.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In 2 years he'll be in a Federal prison (if not executed). Trump has basically promised it.

Refusing to stop Trump is literally suicidal on Biden's part.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

And his die hard supporters on here wonder why people don't want to vote for Biden just because it keeps Trump out of office. Biden isn't fighting this fight. The democrats are asleep at the wheel, another 4 years of, "oh no, poor me, SCOTUS said we can't do this, we just have to executive order the most conservative policy in 60 years." Does not excite the people who are willing to go vote.

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[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (4 children)

We could've had Bernie in the Whitehouse. He really could have been president. This country is doomed.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I remember arguing with my boomer parents about Sanders when he was winning primaries. I shit you not, my mother looked me dead in the eye and said: "Bernie is too old. We need Biden."

I'll definitely never forget that.

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We could've had Gore back in 2000. Oh wait...

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

The SC sure as fuck wouldn't have given him the power to legally assassinate fascists trying to overthrow democracy on the expectation he wouldn't use it.

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[–] rez_doggie@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago (13 children)

I wish the dnc didn't fuck him over

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)

Bernie/AOC ticket 2024 plz

Or 2028 if we still have elections then

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I love Bernie, but he’s 82 and has heart disease.

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[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

AOC for president, Bernie for vice (cause ageist societal concerns).

Or, Bernie as President, AOC as Prime Minister (using SCOTUS' ruling to rewrite all laws and current established government).

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (14 children)

My god can we get a younger social Democrat please? Fuckin A I'm tired of people born before WW2 ended making all the policy decisions. I was going to say before the moon landing but they were all adults when that happened. They're not even Boomers. They're fucking older than boomers.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

Bernie will be 87 in 2028.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Damn bruh if only we had the power to summarily imprison those greasy fucks.

[–] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Biden does if he deems it an official act!

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We called for this on day 1 of Biden's first term...

He chose to put a bipartisan committee in charge of seeing if we should just let the corrupt Republican SC stay in power, and the committee waited two years till dems didnt have the numbers to fix anything, before recommending Dems don't fix anything.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/biden-support-expanding-supreme-court-white-house/story?id=85703773

The aristocrats! /s

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

As long as the Dems have less than 60 votes in the Senate, and aren't willing to ditch the fucking filibuster, there's literally nothing they can do.

You can't reform the court without a Constitutional Amendment since the operation and formation of the court is defined by the Constitution.

So, 2/3rds vote in the House, 2/3rds vote in the Senate, ratification by the States.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

and aren’t willing to ditch the fucking filibuster, there’s literally nothing they can do.

That's the rub.

We have things we can do, but party leadership don't want to do it.

So when they say they can't do anything, things like "get rid of the filibuster" come up. And they party has to acknowledge that would work...

They're just not willing to do it.

Which when that comes back to voters, makes them less likely to vote. Because they feel like even when we have the numbers, it won't change anything because party leadership wants to have the fight against fascism with at least one hand tied behind their back out of an outdated sense of honor.

We're fucking fighting fascism bro.

What matters is winning.

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[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] bquintb@midwest.social 21 points 4 months ago

Best I can do is stern warnings

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[–] Blackout@kbin.run 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I vote for Sanders as King of America. I guess I gotta write that in?

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“If these conservative justices want to make public policy, they should simply quit the Supreme Court and run for political office”

Why do that when they can exploit a shitty system instead? They now are there for the rest of their lives and can interpret the law to mean whatever they want and there is no legal recourse to do anything about it as long as their corrupt party has enough power to prevent impeachment.

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