crime involving moral turpitude
Moral turpitude laws are puritan christian bullshit that should not exist.
But since they do, me might as well use them to unleash the face eating leopards.
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I mean, making dubious consequences apply to the "in group" is a vital step in getting rid of those consequences. Most conservatives were fine with treating addiction as a crime in the 80s when it was black folks getting arrested for crack, but when it was white, working class folks getting arrested for opiates, we were able to start talking about addiction as the medical condition it is. It's a shitty road towards progress, and I wish we could better... but changes in a democracy require convincing people of the need to change, and sometimes that just can't happen until they fall through the cracks in society personally.
It's the classic conservative condition: I didn't see it was a problem until it happened to me. So let's start making it happen to them.
Nancy Reagan was personally soft on abortion, but she knew it played to the base, so she was gung ho to overturn Roe V. Wade. That was until she found out stem cells might be able to help Ronnie's dementia, then she was all for using corpses to make medicine.
Now just cancel his citizenshipso he can run crying back to uncle vlad
Trump calls him daddy.
Vladdy?
He has Vladdy issues
... the ABC entered "Miscellaneous Ad Interim Permits," which allow the facilities to continue serving alcohol until a hearing on the renewals is held.
So, still no consequences.
Anyone applying for or holding a liquor license is entitled to a hearing if they're denied. That doesn't change just because it's Trump. I do liquor licensing in a different state and you really can't just take it away without due process. He may well get to keep the licenses, because his conviction wasn't related to liquor laws, and for us, that's one of the only times we can revoke one. This is really not a case of him getting special treatment.
I'm sure he'll be treated like all other convicted felons
Lololol
In this instance? Probably. We just had a hearing for a guy charged with bigamy and DV, and he got to renew his license. We have another guy who owns a bar (thank god not in my city) that's known for being a dangerous shithole, and he keeps getting licensed somehow. Most liquor laws make it pretty hard to essentially take away someone's livelihood, regardless of what you or I think about it. I wish it was treated as more of a privilege than it is, but Trump is far from the only felon with a liquor license.
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So if someone is convicted of like a gun crime or rape or murder as long as they were sober at the time they can keep their liquor license? What if they are in jail? Can a person own a bar, get convicted of homicide in the first degree, and keep with bar open with their license even if they are behind bars?
I'm not questioning this case, I'm just curious since if only liquor crimes can take a way a license that brought a lot of questions to my mind .
So the short answer is that it's complicated. Long answer is (with the caveat that I'm not an attorney and we have one that guides our licensing board) that those are crimes of moral turpitude, which are considered when evaluating a new application or renewal. Per state law, the existence of a conviction isn't enough on its own to deny the license - the board has to consider things like length of time since the crime and the applicant's conduct since then. I genuinely have no idea what would happen if someone was in jail. I mean, I'm sure their license would be denied, I'm just not sure if they'd even be allowed to renew or maintain ownership in the first place. It's never come up. More than likely, they'd sell it or transfer ownership before it ever came to me.
I don't know NJ liquor laws, but if they're similar, I can see them saying sorry, the conviction was too recent and you've shown zero remorse, no license for you. That said, I have no idea if Trump, individually is considered an owner, or if the license is under a subsidiary company where everyone knows it's ultimately his, but he's not involved in any of the day to day, so the establishment can remain licensed. Frankly, it's not going to hurt him as much as the people who will lose their jobs if the license goes, but I'll be interested to see what happens.
Interesting, thanks for the info
I've learned a lot from your comments, much appreciated!
Good. Now imprison the fucking traitor.
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So I recently finished TOS and am about to finish the first season of TNG. All of this is just to say, I'm excited to see this episode only because you keep posting the meme (aptly). I'm actually kinda waiting to see when his goatee appears in the first place
Please, no spoilers anyone! I'm really enjoying the journey
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The subheading walks back the headline: “The golf clubs are temporarily allowed to continue to serve alcohol until a final hearing on the renewals is held in July.” Journalism in the 2020s. Could have been fixed by just changing the word “does” to “will.”
The New Jersey Attorney General has decided on Friday not to renew two liquor licenses at former President Donald Trump's New Jersey golf clubs following his conviction on all 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial.
"The New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) has an obligation to maintain integrity in the alcoholic beverage industry in the state," said a spokesperson with the New Jersey Attorney General(NJAG).
There's nothing wrong with the headline and the subheadline does not walk anything back. The liquor licenses were not renewed, and a final hearing is scheduled for July. Turns out, the problem with journalism in the 2020s is that you just need to read the article. Go figure...
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