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    Don't dare to question Gnome (lemmy.world)
    submitted 6 months ago by woelkchen@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    I was wondering what happened to the proposal from a month ago....

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    [–] stuner@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I understood Matthew's position as "this should be discussed in the Workstation WG first", not as a "no":

    in favor of the process outlined above (tl;dr: talk to the Workstation WG, and if that does not come to a satisfying outcome, file a Council ticket for next possibilities).

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    It also seemed more likely that they would promote KDE without demoting Gnome.

    But was there a follow-up on that (e.g. in the Workstation WG)?

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I understood Matthew’s position as “this should be discussed in the Workstation WG first”, not as a “no”

    And later he said it's not up to the community but the Fedora Council which at least partially consists of unelected Red Hat-appointed people and all decisions need to be on a consensus-basis, so a single corporate-appointed person can veto everything. FESCO (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is democratic, Fedora Council is not.

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Crazy... so much about the best Distro, huh?

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

    Crazy… so much about the best Distro, huh?

    IMO Fedora is still a great distribution, IMO even the best for beginners. Just because certain Gnome-affiliated people are insufferable doesn't change that (at least not for now). From my point of view it would have been completely fine to discuss that, hold a vote, and if Gnome comes out on top, then fine. But with the changing landscape with Steam Deck and with it more development resources flowing into KDE technologies and also many more mainstream people having their first Linux desktop contact through Steam Deck's Desktop Mode (=KDE Plasma), I think it's totally fair to hold a discussion, similar to when Debian discussed Gnome vs Xfce years ago and Gnome came out on top because of offering the best accessibility features.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm glad Fedora comes with the most usable no-bs/out-of-the-way (in my subjective experience) DE by default. Yes I do run it with Tweaks and a few extensions, but otherwise I have no need for extensive customization for customization’s sake (which seems so many ppls problem with GNOME, smth that I couldn't find more irrelevant), since everything about its UI/UX is so intuitive. I understand if people don't like its opinionated workflow, but it's just right for me personally...

    I don't get the proposal either way bc Fedora has always been the spearhead of vanilla GNOME and there is an official KDE spin iirc

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

    I also really like the GNOME workflow and try to recreate it currently, but the missing menu is kinda making that hard.

    I like workspaces and want to use them. But I also like a bottom bar where I can add all the small things I need. Not much, but currently CPU load and temps, weather, workspace indicator, a few spacers, rest default.

    I like the powerful apps where there are no alternatives on GNOME. Dolphin (the absolute best, cant use anything else, pcmanfm-qt is bearable), Kate/Kwrite, Okular, Gwenview.

    GNOME literally ships Loupe, which doesnt have a single editing function. Use GIMP for the rest?? For rotating or cropping images?

    While I really like the workflow, there are sooo many things (like a clipboard manager) missing that it is not worth it for me.

    [–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I don't really get what people mean when describing Gnome or any DE as "out of the way". I've never felt like KDE was "in my way".

    [–] kureta@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I really couldn't find a better way to describe how it feels to use gnome. I am used almost all tiling window managers through the years. I always got lost in configuring my setup. I know I didn't have to, but there was almost another step of optimization that was available to me. This is not a bad thing in and of itself, of course. I have been using gnome o arch for the past few years, a plank/dock extension, a system tray, and a clipboard manager. That's it, there is nothing to fiddle with, to distract me. It is entirely personal. I just can't stop myself from trying to optimize my desktop/workflow if there are still ways to optimize it. Before gnome I was using my WM/DE and then the applications necessary for my actual work. Now, the DE is "out of the way" and I just do what I actually have to do. But again, this is entirely personal.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    This is very similar to my experience tho I have skipped most of my ricing/customization phase with Gnome bc I just didn't feel the need to do much about it bar a few extensions

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

    I mean not having a clipboard manager is pretty bad, even Win11 has that.

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Or you can run OpenSuSE which comes with one of the best Kde versions by default.

    It's another enterprise type distribution that's rock solid. It also has a rolling version.

    1lso it's based in Europe, which some see as a plus.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I plan on switching to Slowroll once it's matured, but I think I'll stay with Gnome :p

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Slowroll does sound like a great model for versioning and patching software.

    But for the actual package management I dont want to use anything but rpm-ostree. The immutable OpenSUSE variants are a joke and dont offer any real benefits over Tumbleweed to my knowledge (after having researched them).

    Fedora may offer that "more stable package set" when sticking to the old release, currently F39. Not its still less seemless.