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    Debian used to be so good. What happened!? (lemmy.world)
    submitted 4 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    Firefox on Debian stable is so old that websites yell at you to upgrade to a newer browser. And last time I tried installing Debian testing (or was it debian unstable?), the installer shat itself trying to make the bootloader. After I got it to boot, apt refused to work because of a missing symlink to busybox. Why on earth do they even need busybox if the base install already comes with full gnu coreutils? I remember Debian as the distro that Just Wroks(TM), when did it all go so wrong? Is anyone else here having similar issues, or am I doing something wrong?

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    [–] MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

    I don't have issues yet on stable 12.5 but I plan to switch to nixos eventually.

    [–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

    I use debian headless as a server never had any issues but then again pretty much any linux system is gonna be a decent server since everything is containerised now.

    [–] suzune@ani.social 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Stable is for servers, unstable for desktop. It has worked for 20 years. I actually installed two further Debian workstations recently after trying and failing with Kubuntu. So .... no, I don't have this problem.

    No idea why busybox is needed. Is this is your emergency boot environment like initramfs? Sometimes it's nice that Linux boots up and offers an environment to fix stuff while some modules are broken.

    [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

    Busybox is used in the initramfs normally. It's the shell used by any scripts in that early stage, as well as the fallback shell environment.

    [–] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    No idea why busybox is needed. Is this is your emergency boot environment like initramfs?

    I cannot for the life of me find the particular fix I followed, but I swear it was a missing symlink to busybox. Not in initramfs, but in the full booted environment. That's why I was so confused haha. I can't find anything about it right now, so maybe I'm misremembering something...

    [–] kuneho@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    Debian was always like this.

    [–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Or there is OpenSuse Tumbleweed which is up to date, and stable...

    [–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

    Tried the Tumbleweed. It's anything but stable.

    [–] ninth_plane@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I'm considering moving to Debian Stable plus Flathub for graphical desktop packages like Firefox, it works well on the Steam Deck. SteamOS also provides Distrobox which helps in some cases.

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    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    when i see a debian user i see a future fedora user

    [–] lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    When I see a Fedora user, I see a future Arch user btw

    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

    idk i can do everything that arch can do, with distrobox and having a immutable distro on top

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    When I see an Arch user, I see a future NixOS user FWIW

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    This is funny because on a laptop I had I did this exact same progression - I started on Debian, but it didn’t have the right kernel version for my audio drivers, so I switched to Fedora, but it was running slowly (probably because of gnome, it lets you choose so this was my fault) so I moved to arch (with xfce) because it has a reputation for being relatively lightweight. It worked better, but it took longer to get working with the unusual chromebook hardware.

    [–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Man a laptop new enough to require a newer kernel but slow enough for gnome to be slow. That's an annoying spot to be man.

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    It wasn’t that new (2017), it just had weird hardware which iirc only recently got supported without proprietary drivers by the new audio system.

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    [–] iaMLoWiQ@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Debian is a server OS. Running it on desktop is like having frying oil for dinner.

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