Anyone expecting Israel to do anything else than genocide is insane. Stop them. Please. They won't do it themselves. I know the US is all in on the insanity so please some country with sane leaders and ICC jurisdiction do what's right

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The problem that other countries face is the US retaliating if anyone does anything to Israel. There's a reason that Israel's neighbors, most notably Egypt, are mostly just letting this happen. They just aren't willing to get treated like Hezbollah or Ansar Allah or Iran.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Had a Biden lover say Israel would be fine on their own, but couldn't understand no one wants to anger the usa

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

American liberals wanting to absolve themselves of any responsibility.

Israel would crumple like tinfoil if the countries who stood against them could attack them directly. It is only America's arms, aid, and threat of retaliation that dissuades that. This is as much America's genocide as Israel's.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, if a few large western countries like France, Germany, and the UK would band together and demand an end to it, there might be discomfort with political relations, but Biden and the US wouldn't really have any room to squirm. But other than France, the others don't seem to mind, or at least don't mind out loud.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

The UK under the Tories is all in on support for the genocide. And Keir Starmer isn't one to rock the boat. His priority seems to be stamping out anything good in the Labour Party.

[–] bilb@lem.monster 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Completing the ethnic cleansing of the region is a long-standing goal and it isn't yet complete.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it Israel who objected to the last couple of ceasefire proposals? Apparently they are still reluctant to put an end to their hostilities, so why is Blinken not openly blaming them for the stalling of the negotiations?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because it looks like this is just more PR to make it look like hamas is the issue not Israel

[+] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Don’t Hamas have a mandate of the total destruction of Israel?

Why is this downvoted?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a settler-colonial ethnostate on their stolen land? I hope so.

[+] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you feel the same way about native Americans?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We’ve yet to reckon with what we’ve done or make amends with them, and we’re still giving them the shaft to this day, so yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You think native Americans should mandate the total destruction of all other Americans who weren’t there before them? Oh now I see what’s going on here.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Please enlighten us, what is going on here, other than you conflating a people with a state?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

One major difference is that we have made peace with the native Americans. And they have their own reserves.

Israel could sign a two state solution with the Palestinians at this very moment. That would be the moment Palestinians would heavily lose the right to destroy the other.

But Israel in its infinite wisdom is determined to never sign a peace deal and let Palestinians have their own land as long as they are militarily superior.

And when a time comes the Palestinians are militarily superior they sure as hell won't be stupid enough to give a bunch of filthy colonists a part of their land anymore.

That said, native Americans are definitely owed far more compensation than they have received.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One major difference is that we have made peace with the native Americans.

Peace under the threat of total extermination, after getting 99% exterminated, is not a peace, it is subjugation. Natives today are still subjugated.

And they have their own reserves.

Ah, that makes it all ok, all in the past, no hard feelings.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

I don’t see Native Americans with their own military or government. And if they were determined to form their own while blatantly insisting they would use that power to destroy you, I doubt you would be cheering them on.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 months ago

Because Blinken is a lying liar who constantly lies? There’s no reason to give the US any benefit of the doubt at this point. This is the US’ genocide as much as it is Israel’s.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

Israel can never be blamed for anything.