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[–] filister@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

And this is creating a very dangerous precedent, where the US government shows complete disrespect of international law and provides Israel with this so-called feeling of utter impunity.

I understand that Biden should please his donors, but isn't there a single candidate that thinks more about the humans than for the money.

And that's why ladies and gentlemen, we the plebes outside the US don't like the US state, because they always think they are above the law and act as such. Law should apply to everyone equally, no matter what their nationality or how fat their bank account is. Deliberately undermining the law should be punishable, and these people should seriously be ashamed of themselves by thinking they are the only one who can define what's right and wrong!

[–] livus@kbin.social 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

dangerous precedent, where the US government shows complete disrespect of international law

With all due respect the US has been in open contempt of international law for the past 20+ years.

Guantanamo for example is completely illegal.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Probably closer to 130 years starting with their invasion of Hawaii and then involvement in coups in South America and the Middle East.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not too familiar with historic international law, but most of the ones in modern use are only decades old. So, while the invasion of Hawaii may be immoral and may have broken international norms, I'm not sure if it's consider to have broken "International Law".

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

The concept of sovereign states is generally considered to be established in the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. Of course the US did not exist at the time but it was a concept established as International Law before it was founded. Of course most treaties of this kind weren't signed by nearly the same percentage of nations they are today.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This isn’t simply a matter of Biden pleasing his donors, nor is it really about Biden in particular. This is the liberal international order working as designed, namely that the US makes the rules and orders everyone else around. Israel is a settler-colonial project of the Western imperial core, and it has been the US’ unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia for generations. As Biden has said throughout his career, “were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.” The Hague Invasion Act has been on the books for over 20 years, so this is nothing new and has always been bipartisan.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The Hague Invasion Act has been on the books for over 20 years, so this is nothing new and has always been bipartisan.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I don't bc America isn't a good place.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Nah democrats don't block movement to the left, they move further right.

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[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

this is creating a very dangerous precedent, where the US government shows complete disrespect of international law

Just to nitpick here, were decades beyond this particular precedent. It's just particularly blatant and hard for liberals to deny right now.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

International law isn't real, never has been, and never will be until nation-state economic interests, or better yet, leaders of those states are arrested for violation.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

isn’t there a single candidate that thinks more about the humans than for the money.

Yes, plenty.

Any of them that will be allowed anywhere near power?

No, none.

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The US once again acting like they are the only sheriff in town pisses me off. Making Netanyahu accountable for his crimes has absolutely zero shit to do with protecting Israel. Biden should understand that. His young electors understand that.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I totally agree, I just think this is purely posturing by Blinken. Policitally, Biden is on a tightrope here. He can't risk thumbing his nose up at Israel, and he can't risk pissing off any more young electors as you called them by being too soft on Israel. Sanctioning the ICC members would piss off a lot of those electors.

My first thought of a response to the top level post was:

(Narrator voice) They're not going to sanction shit here.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If anything, prosecuting him might even make Israel safer because this whole thing is serving as a recruitment campaign for Hamas or whatever replaces them if Israel manages to eliminate their current command structure.

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

There is no doubt that protecting this son of a bitch acts more for anti-Semitism than against

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 months ago (28 children)

Not only does blue MAGA want me to vote for genocide, they want me to vote for genocide denial and the destruction of international law.

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[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

.ml always have the most accurate geopolitical takes

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 5 points 3 months ago

Fucking hell. What monsters would propose ending food programs across the world just so one man can sit in power during a genocide?

He's a man, he can be replaced, he will be replaced eventually. Why are we going to piss off every country with a conscience for this goblin of a man with the military and political brainpower of a bowling pin?

Only thing this will do is fuel animosity towards the US.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

This action was so fucked up and beyond my list of shitty things that the US might do that it honestly didn't occur to me and so when reading the headline I found it confusingly phrased but thought maybe it somehow meant there was some hint of support for the ICC's decision and warrants which would have been amazing. Imagine the rollercoaster for me when they actually managed to surprise me with a decision and stance worse than I could have imagined.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The US will do the right thing one day, after they've tried everything else.

[–] HorreC@kbin.social 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Fuck me the USA has turned into Russia, just shit posting/voting in the UN all the time. This is getting more and more to what Russia wants, no more UN, and they wanna trash it over genocide that they seem very ok with. Why are we not learning from the past. I was told we were to learn from it.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 22 points 3 months ago

Fuck me the USA has turned into Russia,

Always has been. There's a reason all meaningful Israel-related UN resolutions are 50+ years old.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] HorreC@kbin.social 1 points 3 months ago

How is that, Russia has stated many times they want the UN to go away. By doing all this its just segmenting the people and weakening the power it holds. Please use more then 3 words to make your point.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 6 points 3 months ago

Oh they're gonna sanction people. I thought this was a bigger deal, but I guess it's a nothing-ish burger.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Do, or do not. There is no hint.

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