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Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot. Trump will be 10x worse for Palestinians. Remember who moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. That was designed as a provocation.
Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot.
The democracts insist on maintaining this position despite the mountain of evidence that it's driving down turn out in their base, and does not represent the wishes of the electorate.
Why is it that voters have to swallow genocide, and not that democrats have to stop perpetuating electorally unpopular genocide?
Of course trump will be worse and i'll be holding my nose and voting for biden but it makes no sense to blame voters for the inevitable and foreseeable consequences of the imperial cowardice of the democratic party.
Genocide is going to continue either way, we can either deal with the guy asking for a cease fire and who built a pier to get around Israel or vote for the guy that will send our troops to participate.
Being angry at voters and calling them idiots over choices the democratic party made doesn't help defeat trump.
There is no shortage of idiots. There never has been.
Doubt. Eventually people will realize that for as bad as Biden is with regards to Gaza, he’s doing a lot right domestically, and the other guy would be much, much, MUCH worse
We should just tell him we will vote for him no matter what.
That's surely how you influence the geriatric corporate owned politicians who allegedly "represent" us.
Personally, I really, really, really wish we had a viable third party candidate. I don't want either of these fucks in office.
You have to change the FPTP system first. It's mathematically impossible to have a stable third-party system without changing the mechanics of how it works.
How do you change that system? Are there any particular groups you can think of who are actively working against those changes?
You're not suggesting we vote for people who are opposed to and working against non-FPTP systems, as a vehicle to enact a non-FPTP system, right? Cause that would be pretty silly. :P
Until we get rid of FPTP voting nationally, 3rd parties cannot win and can only spoil. The best we can hope for is a third party is popular enough that they displace another party. Which would be a years to decades long change as local, state and national representatives get replaced slowly.
More likely what would happen is what the GOP did to the 2 contenders: the Tea Party and Insurrection Party. The GOP just absorbed and changed to meet them.
The way voters protest this sort of issue doesn't follow logic or reason. People will happily not vote in protest, even if it means somebody far worse will win because of their actions. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I think the news needs to shame these kind of voters, instead of pushing this narrative that it's Biden's fault. Biden's views are his own, and yeah, the news should try to highlight and change them. But, voter patterns of using "uncontested" or third-party candidates to sabotage the main electees is actively destroying Democrats' chances of winning elections.
I'm sorry, your take is that we need to shame people for ...standing against a genocide? for deciding that supporting the deaths of an entire culture of people is the line too far for their conscience to support? You think that deserves to be attacked and shamed?
The U.S. has no obligation to participate in genocide, and can start withholding aid at any time. If Democrat leadership has decided it's more important to exterminate Palestine than prevent a Trump election, that's going to remain on the Democrats.
Allowing Trump to win by not voting is not "standing against genocide". It's virtue signaling which will harm the very people you aim to protect.
instead of pushing this narrative that it’s Biden’s fault
But... it is his fault? His job is to represent his constituents, which he's not doing. He's literally refusing to do his job as an elected representative. That you think it's the electorate's job to align with a President (and thus, a failing on their part not to) is antithetical to Democracy.
Here's an interesting hypothetical for you:
How close would Biden need to be to Trump, before you wouldn't vote for him? What issues would he need to change his stance on? I'm not saying he's close, I'm interested to know which of your personal values are red-lines?
If the answer is, "nothing, so long as he is at all better than Trump", then we're never going to see eye-to-eye, because to me at that point your rhetoric is incapable of combating our current slide towards fascism (just as I believe Biden is). If there are red-lines for you, then ask yourself why your personal red-lines are more important or valid than the people who you're shaming for saying he's crossed theirs.
Sadly, I suspect that the answer for many Democrats is the same as it is for Republicans; they'll only break with the party once they are personally harmed by the party's policies.
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The Biden campaign has long been shrugging at the president’s fading polls, turning down opportunities to put him in front of voters, and generally doing their best to portray an air of confident nonchalance.
A new dataset released by the New York Times on 13 May found that Biden was trailing in five key swing states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania – and suffering from disillusionment among young voters as well as Black and Latino ones.
“Drawing broad conclusions about the race based on results from one poll is a mistake,” Geoff Garin, a pollster for the Biden campaign, told the New York Times.
If that figure cannot shake you into moral recognition, consider that many of those children have endured their amputations without anesthesia, since medicine – like food – has largely been prohibited from being delivered to Gaza by Israeli authorities.
And though his White House repeatedly leaks that he is “privately” dismayed by Israel’s conduct of the war, he has done little to stop the flow of US money and guns that support it.
But these lesser-of-two-evils argument do not lessen the tax on the conscience that many anti-war Americans will feel when they consider whether to vote for Biden in spite of his support for the genocide in Gaza.
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