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Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
Yes, I think I'm better off than I was four years ago.
Don’t forget how Trump expertly healed a nation struggling with racial injustice. Under his watch we had weeks of riots and fires in every major metro area in America.
Elementary school aged children in cages was also a real gem.
Trump 2024: Cages, corpses, and chaos.
Oh, and in respect to that: don't forget that it was Trump's administration that signed off on unmarked federal vans black-bagging protestors in Portland, and Trump himself who had DC Police disperse a protest just so he could take a photo in front of a church, AND that Trump actually wanted to deploy military force against the protests - he explicitly wanted the military to "machine-gun them in the streets" like he's Tsar Alexander.
There are no refrigerator trucks full of corpses
YOOO I FUCKIN FORGOT ABOUT THE COVID CORPSE TRUCKS.
Damn 2020 really do be feeling more and more like a fever dream.
Nobody has made a serious attempt to overthrow the government this year
Oh come on. You know that statement isn't going to last through Thanksgiving
I'm voting for Biden, as I did last time and Clinton before, but I can't help some dark part of me knowing he does represent the US and is practically our mascot.
The embodiment of greed and gluttony, reveling in schadenfreude, cartoonishly shameless, crowing about who he beat and who he's enjoying the suffering of, and drunk on wholly undeserved vanity. A sociopath who stands against the very concept of empathy for others. If someone is suffering, he'll tell you what they did to deserve their suffering and suggest ways to really turn the screws. 🇺🇸
I'm ashamed of being an American precisely for all the American traits, that are also destroying us from the inside btw, that Trump unironically personifies. He's more American as America actually is, not all the pretty lies we say about ourselves, than Apple pies or school shootings.
I wish more Americans would look in the mirror that is Donald Trump and be ashamed of who we are, because we can't begin to do anything without recognizing what monstrous values we have.
I wish more Americans would look in the mirror that is Donald Trump and be ashamed of who we are, because we can’t begin to do anything without recognizing what monstrous values we have.
You are saying something I haven't heard in a lot of discourse. Kudos and my upvote.
I appreciate that, sincerely.
I'll never forget what elevated him into mainstream discourse, a game show literally about "I'm rich, so kiss my ass for half an hour" that somehow made him popular. You aren't supposed to like Gordon Gecko/Mr. Potter. They are to be hissed for their antisocial greed. Our people celebrate it. Many who hate him for his violent rhetoric today still loved him for his proud celebration of greed then.
I'll also never forget what singular event took him from paying extras to attend his rallies to basically owning the Republican party:
“We’re not allowed to punch back any more,” Trump lamented. The billionaire said he missed the “good old days,” “You know what they used to do to a guy like that in a place like this?” Trump said. “They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-protester-219655
He's a fucking monster, yes. But what does that say about US that the above elevated him, through public popularity, to basically being worshipped as a God(GodEmperor as some called him) by 40% of the electorate, while making still more consider his message?
Have a look at Biden too. An emaciated husk clinging to tired mantras and totally blind to the present reality. Visibly fading but refusing to abandon the exceptionalism that brought him to power. Thinking the world still believes in the hollow vision that he imposes on it at gunpoint. Shrugging off any reasonable critique of his completely outmoded positions. Sounds just as American as Trump.
Yeah, I know whenever a US president tries to legalize marijuana federally and spend a trillion dollars on student loan forgiveness and climate change, I'm like "damn, not this again, he's clinging to the same tired mantras and completely outmoded positions we've always had."
a US president tries to legalize marijuana federally and spend a trillion dollars on student loan forgiveness and climate change
that didnt happen, though. he didn't get it done, so there is no reason to believe the effort was genuine.
Man... why are y'all making me defend the Democrats I don't even like most of them
Biden: Marijuana legalization bill passes house, blocked by Republicans in senate, anyone in federal prison for possession is pardoned and free
Biden: Loan forgiveness order is completed, then blocked by Supreme Court, $138 billion in forgiveness comes anyway through a separate executive order
Biden: Manchin blocks half-trillion-dollar climate legislation, replacement legislation comes all the way to a signed bill and takes effect expected to produce 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, short of Biden's original effort but still expected to cut 2 billion tons per year out of our carbon emissions
You: WAAAAAA NOT GENUINE EFFORT, THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS TRUMP, THIS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH
You: WAAAAAA NOT GENUINE EFFORT, THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS TRUMP, THIS ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH
i never said this. it's a strawman.
You never said "exactly the same as Trump"; that was exaggeration on my part and maybe unfair. The rest of it you absolutely said and I stand behind my characterization of how much sense it makes.
i also didn't waaaaaa. i'm cool as a cucumber over here pointing out the inadequacy of politicians.
It's like when I get stuck in traffic, but I'm on the clock, so I'm not bothered by it.
did this go to the right place?
Getting lost also does not bug me when I'm on the clock.
i think you got this thread mixed up with another
They're saying you're clearly on the clock right now
I am, but don't tell my boss. he thinks I'm working.
why are y’all making me defend the Democrats
you don't have to. i watch liberals lie about republicans dozens of times every day, actual, flat out lies, and i rarely say anything. because republicans suck, too.
Biden: Loan forgiveness order is completed, then blocked by Supreme Court, $138 billion in forgiveness comes anyway through a separate executive order
seems to me, if biden wanted to do it, he would have. i don't believe the supreme court can block it, since they don't have an enforcement arm.
I'm gonna exit this conversation now
This guy is a Russian shill, don't try to discuss in good faith.
bye
Biden: Marijuana legalization bill passes house, blocked by Republicans in senate, anyone in federal prison for possession is pardoned and free
trump actually got the first step act through both houses. it seems to me that if biden wanted to do it, he would have. instead, he didn't.
What on earth are you talking about
The Donald Trump administration took positions against marijuana and against the easing of laws regarding marijuana.[1] Although Trump indicated during his 2016 presidential campaign that he favored leaving the issue of legalization of marijuana to the states, his administration subsequently upheld the federal prohibition of cannabis, and Trump's 2021 fiscal budget proposal included removing protections for state medical marijuana laws.[1] In 2018, the administration rescinded the 2013 Cole Memorandum, an Obama-era Justice Department policy that generally directed federal prosecutors not to pursue marijuana prosecutions in states where marijuana is legal as a matter of state law.[2]
Who the fuck are “voters” and why are they so goddamned stupid
Because the news misleads them, all the time and constantly
A lot of people also really don't understand how our government/elections work. The war on having an educated populace has been pretty successful in my opinion. Especially in Conservative areas of the country.
Liberals will complain to high heaven about how the NYT or WaPo or NPR has lied to them once again, then mechanically kick in another bucket of money during fundraising season.
Because we need a free, fair, and independent press, you see?
People picked Biden because they were angry at the incumbent and now their picking Trump because they're angry at the incumbent.
In America you only get two options. Historically, those two options were different flavors of empty suit. But every now and again, you get a real piece of shit a la Nixon or Trump who figured out how to weasel their way through a primary.
And then it's just a 50/50 as to whether they win
People picked Biden because they were angry at the incumbent and now their picking Trump because they're angry at the incumbent.
People picked Biden because around a million people died during Trump's botched Covid response, and because he was clearly an incompetent naked criminal fascist who kept talking about undoing democracy in the United States and actively trying to do it. People are now picking Trump because their news media has told them outlandish lies about Biden that make him sound like Kim Jong Un came to the United States, and they're trying to do the right thing by getting rid of him. Sometimes, simple innate "anger" at the incumbent leads people to vote against him, but I think in this specific election that's a very small part of it.
People picked Biden because around a million people died during Trump’s botched Covid response
More people voted for Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. Biden flipped swing states that Hillary lost because of her shit reputation on labor issues. But then Biden took office and broke a railroad strike, undermined the UAW during their auto worker's strike, and failed to pass the PRO Act with a Dem majority. He's significantly less popular in these Midwestern states than he was four years ago.
People are now picking Trump because their news media has told them outlandish lies about Biden
What? That he's old? That appears to be the entire media critique of his candidacy.
They support his Israel policy. They want to see him funnel another $100B in military spending to Ukraine. They love how he's bent over backwards to curb inflation, just as wages were beginning to rise. But since climate change and war are a bummer to read about after three nightmarish years, we're getting a slew of stories that amount to "Yo, did you notice how old this old guy is?!"
Sometimes, simple innate “anger” at the incumbent leads people to vote against him, but I think in this specific election that’s a very small part of it.
Sometimes media moguls just want another big Republican tax cut. Sometimes the conservatives smell blood in the water with abortion, environmental regs, LGBT rights, and labor rights all up for grabs. Sometimes the guy who gave Strom Thurmond's eulogy just isn't able to stay in touch with the youth vote.
Biden's got a lot working against him. The singular point in his favor is "Trump Will Destroy America!!!" And when the major American exports appear to be carbon emissions and bombs targeted at brown people, its getting harder and harder to convince people that this would be a bad thing.