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[–] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

when a whistleblower dies on the day of his deposition, you have to work really hard to convince me that it's suicide.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

They could have threatened to fly his family on a 737 Max if he didn't kill himself

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I don't know whether or not he killed himself, and I strongly suspect he didn't, but I sure as hell know this warrants an intense and thorough investigation. All company and private emails of executives, with forensics to determine if anything was deleted. Long interrogations to see if alibis match up.

There isn't enough evidence to throw the book at Boeing, but there is enough to search every single little thing related to them.

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[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They make airplanes tf is this mafia shit

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They also make military equipment, an enormous amount of it

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Both incorrect, they make money.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 6 months ago

They take money. It's banks that make it.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

They are a megacorp, they have enough money to do what they want

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

A good follow-up to this story, worth the watch.

https://youtu.be/ggh35ud9BrU

From the video...

"As I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, 'This is the best witness I've ever seen'".

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

So the US government will not even investigate this because of the close ties / relationship with Boeing?

I swear to god, the US and its oligarchy is just russia "at home"

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Always has been.

Our pig just has nicer lipstick.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Oh, I was wondering why I recognized your name!

My apologies that you couldn’t get laid in high school.

Are you going to explain this? Cuz it really sounds like you fucked a 12 year old when you were in high school.

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[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

if theyre killing witnesses, theyre too big to prosecute, and I think they should be shutdown and sold for parts

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, corporations are people. Surely Boeing will get capital punishment.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

You promise? I mean, it should be an option on the table...

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can we popularize "Barnett didn't kill himself"?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I swear if I am ever a whistleblower I am going to hire someone for minimum wage to hang out in my hotel room while I sleep and they can play on their phone, eat burritos, and play video games until the trial is fully over. And also make sure they have the ability to livestream the moment something weird happens.

Also I don't know put a thousand or so videos on YouTube with email links to everyone I have ever known with me saying all the damaging stuff and that I am not suicidal.

$60 or so dollars a day is worth it to me to not get silenced like a fucking Russian critic.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's important to remember that whistleblowing is extremely stressful, so much that it's one of the main things the government talks about on their whistleblowing site:

Practice self-care and stress-reducing activities throughout your whistleblowing process. It is common to experience toxic forms of retaliation – from professional isolation to gaslighting (manipulating someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity) – which can lead to post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, or even thoughts of harm.

https://whistleblower.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/whistleblower.house.gov/files/whistleblower_survival_tips.pdf

Researchers have found the same thing, being a whistleblower is terrible for your mental health:

About 85% suffered from severe to very severe anxiety, depression, interpersonal sensitivity and distrust, agoraphobia symptoms, and/or sleeping problems, and 48% reached clinical levels of these specific mental health problems. These specific mental health problems were much more prevalent than among the general population.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6604402/

In addition, "Half of Patients With Suicidal Thoughts Deny It"

Not only did approximately 50% of people with suicidal thoughts deny having those thoughts, roughly 50% of people who had died by suicide, and 30% of people who had attempted suicide had denied having suicidal ideation in the week or month beforehand.

Furthermore, in many cases, people who had disclosed in apps and on paper that they had thoughts of suicide then denied that they had suicidal ideation when questioned directly in face-to-face assessments or interviews. For example, in one study, nearly 60% of those who reported their suicidal ideation on an app then denied their suicidal ideation in a telephone interview less than 24 hours later.

https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2021.10.9

So, just because he denied he was suicidal doesn't mean that's necessarily true. He might have been trying to appear strong to everyone while suffering in silence.

This should definitely be investigated as possibly being murder. And, even if the investigation does determine that he shot himself, they should keep looking to see if he was being blackmailed or if he might have been pressured into suicide.

I just can't imagine an executive at Boeing going out and hiring a hit man. But, what I can imagine them doing is hiring a team of private investigators to go through this guy's entire life and dig up every bit of dirt on him. It could be they found something really embarrassing and were going to blackmail him with it. It could be that they found something innocent that they could frame as being awful, like to make him look like he was a child molester or something.

[–] experbia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (34 children)

I just can’t imagine an executive at Boeing going out and hiring a hit man

Really? That's weird, I totally can. It's an exceptionally narrow-minded and short-sighted knee-jerk reaction to a perceived threat of one's executive career. Most coked-out executives already have a massive god complex once they get their MBA and are installed above the ~~proles~~ workers. I can absolutely realistically imagine one Boeing executive getting angry enough and coked-out enough to just decide, "fuck it, I'm going to fix this problem for us before he threatens my career and reputation any more".

The information you present about whistleblowing being stressful is fair. He may indeed have been driven to kill himself instead of being straight-up assassinated like others believe. I refuse, however, to give the benefit of doubt to a massive corporation who has already demonstrated a complete lack of regard for human life and an extremely poor track record of moral and ethical decision-making. This needs to be investigated under the assumption that a hit is an entirely possible reality. Unless you'd rather that nobody blows the whistle on anything in the future - you've already demonstrated that it's an incredibly stressful action. If there's the lingering remote possibility that you can be simply assassinated over it and everyone will look the other way, nobody will ever raise their voice again. The nature of his actions before his death demand a comprehensive and exhaustive investigation into if any person from Boeing had anything to do with it whatsoever, or whistleblowing will continue sliding into something only the insane consider.

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