So the bill has balls and teeth?! Impressive.
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Balls and teeth, but no game systems, farm equipment, anything with an engine (ice), or....electric toothbrushes. All exempt.
This is strangely relevant for me. Been trying to fix my expensive Sonicare for a few weeks now. Finally gave up and bought the cheapest knock-off. Left me with a bad taste...
Try soaking the brush in vinegar, might help with the taste.
Hopefully this sort of infects the entire system and causes major companies to essentially give these rights to everyone. It’s not like Apple or Samsung is going to ban products for an entire state… well hopefully.
It's Oregon, with a population of a whopping 4 million across the entire state, so you know what, maybe actually cheaper to cut the state off than to establish DIY supply chain for repairs parts that will undercut your whole product portfolio.
Good luck cutting off Oregon from hardware available in the rest of the states. Cutting off one state poses the same issue as gun legislation or sugar tax in a specific city, people just go to the next state over. And you very likely can’t just say “well sorry, that wasn’t sold in Oregon so that law doesn’t apply.”
They’d need to kill off the entire US market.
They just need to provide zero customer support, no updates to IP addresses in Oregon, etc. No need to prevent people from using devices they own, just stop transacting.
Anyone know if the governor will actually sign it, or will they do what the New York governor did?
No one has any insights into the politics of the governor, and the odds of him/her actually signing this?
Which is why Apple doesn't like this one but did support California's
Needed to add price gouging for parts into the bill as well
Outlawing Product Pairing
Proctor called the legislation “the best bill yet” because it goes a step further than other state’s right to repair laws by calling out and making illegal “product pairing,” in which onboard software makes it impossible to install parts that aren’t from the manufacturer.
Product pairing has become a favorite way for companies to make sure that products they sell are repaired only by them, and it’s not covered in any of the other state’s right to repair laws. Apple relies on product pairing extensively. iPhone owners, for instance, generally can’t replace any parts unless the phone can determine that the replacement is a genuine Apple replacement part. This led Apple, which has supported right to repair legislation in other states, to lobby against Oregon’s bill.
“We remain very concerned about the risk to consumers imposed by the broad parts-pairing restrictions in this bill,” Apple’s principal secure repair architect, John Perry, said in February at a legislative hearing.
“An iPhone contains its owner’s important personal data including financial, health, and location information, and this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required to allow unknown, non-secure third-party Face ID or Touch ID modules to unlock that personal information,” Apple said in a statement on March 4. “We will continue to support repair legislation, but strongly believe this bill does not offer the consumer protections Oregonians deserve.”
That’s all horse-hockey, of course, and basically a way for Apple to publicly support right to repair while denying it to its customers, as noted by iFixit,>
Yeah, it's in the name is "security". As if a third party camera or back cover is going to break into the OS, harvest super important user data, and then somehow find some way to transmit it back to headquarters.
You know, or they just want to make money off of selling parts at 200% profit instead of Apples 500%.
The idea that this is somehow a security risk is a giant steamy pile of bullshit to keep people buying their garbage.
“An iPhone contains its owner’s important personal data including financial, health, and location information, and this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required to allow unknown, non-secure third-party Face ID or Touch ID modules to unlock that personal information,” Apple said in a statement on March 4.
What BS. Sure, making sure every fingerprint sensor or whatever has a unique signature would allow you to lock a module to a device to prevent tampering and security bypass. But you should be able to just enter a password or recovery code in order to authorize a new part to be used with your device's security, then it'll be the customers responsibility to make sure that the part operates as it should. None of Apple's business.
My computer contains much more important information than my phone and there certainly isn't any parts pairing BS there. I would never trust any biometric authentication alone for securing sensitive information. It's good to use in addition to a secure password though.
Absolutely! Biometrics are at best a username, not a password.
One wheel as well is a notable example for me.
Personal EVS shouldn't be completely unrepairable and unmodifiable. Just disconnecting the battery will brick it and you have to send it back to the manufacturer...
this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required
I'm sorry, are they under the impression that they still own the phone once you buy it?
This is super great to see. Normally my home state just follows whatever California passes since we're a much smaller market, but this time they're really moving things forward for consumer repairability.
Also, just really reinforces how much I hate Kathy Hochul for absolutely neutering NY's right to repair bill. Glad I don't have her as my governor anymore.
Louis Rossmann hasn't uploaded a 20 minute video ranting about it yet so I'd say that's a point in its favor
^I^ ^do^ ^agree^ ^with^ ^him^ ^on^ ^most^ ^topics^ ^esp^ ^right^ ^to^ ^repair^ ^but^ ^seriously^ ^when^ ^will^ ^that^ ^guy^ ^shut^ ^up^
Probably when measures that genuinely protect the right to repair are enacted on a wide scale.
I can't wait to see the innovative and creative ways Apple will find to create new forms of nightmare for consumers following that.
Glueing iPhones and other devices together is do much better for business....you can't fix it, and a robot can make it so you don't need to work there and get paid part of the profit.