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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I distro hopped for many years, until I ended up on arch (the rolling distros are kind of a stable end state for linux installs). I will say that the argument that "rolling distros are more unstable", was completely wrong and unfounded. Many updates to things like qt or xorg have broken point distributions, and I've found that an arch install has been more stable than ubuntu in particular.

[–] TheKernalBlog@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

True, Arch is a lot more stable than many people give it credit for. In my long time using Arch, I've only ever had dependency problems once. And Ubuntu, especially nowadays, is not the best when it comes to stability. However, I would argue that RHEL/RockyLinux or Debian are generally more stable than Arch.

[–] stopit@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Rolling distros are unstable by definition - they change regularly. You are confusing (as many do) stability with reliability.

[–] americanwaste@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Point releases, and only the long term stable ones for servers, rolling for desktops.

[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Should You Use A Rolling Or Point Release Distro
[...]
I can’t decide that for you.

I mean, I did not expect an answer. But such a title is just shit.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Rolling release because security reasons.

[–] liberatedGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Security patches make their way to point release distros as well. You only miss features.

[–] brombek@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Not all security patches do actually make their way. Some are missed. But also latest releases may have new trivial security bugs (like latest apache httpd).

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

True but usually it takes much longer to get them.

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fedora. Best of both worlds.

[–] ners@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

NixOS does it even better. You can choose which things to install in a release channel, and which in a rolling channel.

[–] sudoreboot@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Learning Nix and NixOS was the best investment I've ever made for my computer use since switching to Linux a decade ago or so.

The barrier of entry is so high I don't blame anyone for not making the leap but I wish more people could enjoy the benefits. All other distros bar GuixOS feel utterly archaic and clumsily designed by comparison.

[–] flbn@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i've tried nix three different times and find the learning curve so incredibly steep that the productivity gains are simply not worth it for my desktop usage. i'm waiting for the space to mature so i can feel better about picking it up.

[–] sudoreboot@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Totally understandable. One day we may see a graphical installer and configuration manager and that is the day I can start recommending others to try it

[–] flbn@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the installation process is actually alright, it's moreso the maintenance that i had problems with. the mental model is still foreign to me and when i tried it last flakes were recommended by most forum users but not in the documentation. almost all public repo's made use of flakes and it just confused me :/

[–] sudoreboot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The most confusing part of flakes is that it isn't the default, but sort of defacto is because so many use it (myself included). At this point I feel it should be the default. The installation process doesn't use the flakes feature so it has to be worked around and it isn't straight forward.

Nix(OS) has a case of expert user base that aren't motivated enough to make it easier for those unfamiliar with the concepts to get going.

Nix makes more sense if you understand referential transparency and functional programming. Even then, how a lot of nix expressions are written is quite confusing with all the self-recursive overrides, functions that are somehow also sets etc.

The best documentation and tutorials are probably somewhere other than in the official ones (though official documentation is not bad). Nix Pills and the wiki, especially.

[–] flbn@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

i'll be referencing these next time i want to try it out again. thanks!!