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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Losing the ability to Censor pro Palestinian content on social media has severely changed the views of our younger Generation.

This is what was on TikTok while Twitter was full with #istandwithisrael: https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmusic/video/7289906736847129902

Its clear that this is about the control of "freedom of speech". Ironic that we are now censoring the CCP

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Social media are inherently about censorship being a coherent policy and not a personal choice of every single webmaster.

TikTok is something "good" only in this particular case (Palestine).

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

That's true but it is a sign that the speech we believe is so free is actually not free whatsoever.

When a platform doesn't censor, or censors different things than we want them to censor, they get banned.

[–] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Americans will silence anyone talking about Israeli war crimes.

[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wild that the answer to young people being exposed to literal genocide and having an opinion about it, isn't to try and do something about the genocide, but to call it indoctrination and try to ban it.

Make it make sense.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They ban it because TikTok won't do western propaganda exclusively. You can't even say in the media that Israel is wrong, even if you use 100% documented sources.

[–] m13@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Heaven forbid the kids should be against the outright mass murder of unarmed men, women, and (mostly) children, the targeted killing of journalists, doctors, and destruction of all hospitals, the blocking of aid, forced starvation, and targeted killing of people in designated “safe zones”.

Where has their sense of bloodthirsty genocide and outright cruelty gone?

[–] podperson@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I genuinely dislike TikTok (might be just old-man-shaking-his-fists-at-the-sky syndrome), but a complete ban on an app like that seems uninformed and quite the overreach. I think banning it on government devices is a good move, and I also think having everyone make informed decisions on who they give their personal information to is paramount (in this case, tin foil hat or no, you’re likely giving it to the CCP), but this seems like a clear case of a bunch of old timers making a pretty uninformed decision based on knee-jerk reactions to public opinion.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I kind of agree.

There should be ways to sign up without the huge over reach of data. Education is also a must.

But then after that the Internet should be free, it shouldn't be controlled by big daddy government just because someone says something they don't like.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Trump tried to ban Tiktok because it was Chinese owned and it got rejected. But now it's getting banned, why?

Is it actually because it is showing bad things Israel has done or has something else happened? I'm genuinely out of the loop and confused.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  • it's not owned and controlled by Americans. This makes American billionaires unhappy, and the liked of Zuckerberg would be very happy for the removal of comepetiton.
  • America has a sinophobia problem, I know a lot of Americans here don't see it, and get mad if you bring it up, but from the outside looking in, it's very obvious.
  • Policy makers in America seem scared of young people being politically motivated, and a lot of that is happening via tiktok. It stopped the red wave, it's now impacting democratic polling, they're losing control.
[–] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

These points are all absolutely correct, and generally follow a trend of protectionism sweeping across the globe, but there’s also a genuine concern about how Tiktok shapes public POV based on CCP decisions(for example, suppressing content about the excessive Covid lockdown, the Uyghur and Tibetan genocide, and suppression of Hui Muslims, Hong Kong and other minorities in China).

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Trump was right, people just didn't want to admit it.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right because its chinese owned? What is wrong with that? Or is it only okay when a white western dude owns the company?

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's because the app is controlled by a foreign adversary. If there was a Russian social media app that collected obscene amounts of user data, people would be rightly calling for that to be banned too.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But thats such a dumb reason considering the shit that facebook collects and instagram etc. Over the years it has come out that they collect so much damn data. They even did psychological experiments on teenagers by fucking with their timeline and see if they can change how they feel.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds

They are tracking so much stuff inside peoples phones. They track everything they do and sell it for money.

And don't even get me started on google.

You and congress are all up in arms when china or russia does it but are happy happy joy joy when american government or corporations do it themselves.

A couple of corporations own most of the media/news in america and that is all completely fine. Congress doesn't give a single fuck about any of that.

Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off. No corporations or government should have all this data and manipulate users. But its not a problem at all unless a foreign corporation does it.

And to then ban it in the name of privacy. "Only we can abuse americans! 😠". Its ridiculous.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I agree with a lot of what you said. I think we need a digital bill of rights to protect things like online privacy and personal data.

There's two reasons TikTok is different:

  1. Being controlled by a foreign adversary is not comparable to a corporation trying to make money. They will use the data they collect to weaken American interests and push their own.

  2. As I understand it, the data collected by TikTok is so excessive it makes Facebook look mild.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
  1. China isn't an adversary. It's a competitor to America. You aren't at war with China, and both China and America heavily depend on each other and are strong trading partners. This is your propaganda talking.

  2. Lol no, Facebook and Google collect orders of magnitude more data about you, your life, your job, your friends and colleagues, your medical status, everything.