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French Revolution 2 wen?
Not a defence of her or the shitty situation, but she isn’t in government, and this predates her time as Prime Minister.
There is something quite beautiful about the British culture of keeping a stiff upper lip, but sometimes you should let it go a little bit and riot. It's cathartic.
Brit and avid history fan here! Stiff upper lip is a myth. We used to be a very rebelious lot:
We're taught about Henry VIII, but not about the mass uprising he had to put down (The Pilgrimage of Grace)
We hear about the Battle of Hastings but not the Harrying of the North.
We're never taught about the Enclosure Acts (that stole land from the common folk) and the subsequent uprising and brutal repression (including the Midlands Revolt).
We also had the Peasants Revolt trying to stop the crazy taxation during the 100 year war!
And if we're looking for other acts of rebellion:
The Peterloo Massacre
The General Strike of 1926
The Miner's Strikes of the 80s
The Battle of Cable Street (Police protecting Nazis)
The Battle of Lewisham (Police protecting Nazis)
But it is far, far better for those in power to make us believe we have always been meek and "stiff upper lip"
EDIT: for people looking for a complete list, this ain't it. I just chose a few that were in my mind at the time. I also didn't include anything to do with imposed rule or I'd just gesture vaguely at the island of Ireland.
I also didn't include anything to do with aristocrats fighting each other. This is an incomplete list of popular uprisings to make a point.
It's not being meek, it's being patient and resilient.
I'm French and I used to live in the UK for a while. There is a very strong difference in my experience between going on strike about twice a year (I'm on strike today!), and absolutely never demonstrating and rarely complaining publicly about deep social issues.
The list you provide is actually not very impressive by a lot of other countries standards. I don't mean it in a demeaning way: there are other levers for social progress, and no country uses them all. But massive social action is not something that the Brits use very often in my experience.
This isn't a complete list by any stretch of the imagination, and I avoided everything to do with the aristocracies (which includes four civil wars just from the top of my head) and anything to do with imposed rule (i.e. English to other areas of the UK).
Some more: Monmouth Rebellion & Rye House Plot, Farnley Wood Plot, The Gunpowder Plot, Bigod's Rebellion, Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire Uprising, The Essex Rebellion, The Oxfordshire Uprising (yes, a different one)
The list really does go on.
EDIT for fun here are a few more:
The Lincolnshire Uprising, Yorkshire Rebellion, The Luddites, 2011 London Riots
The fact that you lived here a few years is kidna irrelevant to the history of the people of the country. We have been conditioned to think uprising, violent attacks on the people in power, and the power of masses is "just not British". When history shows it very much is (there basically wasn't a period for about 800 years where there wasn't a civil war or popular uprising within England).
The fact I lived in Nottingham for so long and forgot about the freaking Luddites is damn shameful!
Northener here. I don't mean to take away from your point, because you are mostly correct, but my school at least did teach us about the harrying, though I can't remember how much detail, but it was at least a few lessons on the aftermath of 1066 and how the Normans took control.
I will mention (mostly because I find it funny) that I remember hearing about a planned revolution in Britain (around the time of other European revolutions) that was called off because of the rain.
It's actually all English history. I avoided Scottish, NI and Welsh because rebellion against imposed rule of the English felt like a different beast to what was being discussed.
And no one in and English school is being taught about these things either.
It's really easy to spend other people's money.
But they need to cut the NHS budget because "we" put too much stuff on the country's credit card.
Politicians will never care for the working class if they don't have a median income imposed upon them.
What a nonsense idea. Good politicians will never exist if they have a median income imposed on them.
Do you think that qualified, capable people - doctors, lawyers, economists, engineers - are going to want to go into politics, and deal with all the pressure, attention and abuse for them and their families that comes with that, for a median income? The sort of people we should want to see more of in politics typically already take large pay cuts to become backbench MPs. We want more capable and intelligent people in politics, not fewer.
You pay peanuts and you get Truss.
How is it peanuts for Truss when she spent 1 400+ pounds a flight on food per person?
The rich never cared for you. The richer a person gets, the more they exploit the working class. They will never care for you when your income doesn't impact them (unless it's positively as it does now, so they can profit off of you being your landlords etc).
Greed dulls anyone's wits.
Do you think that qualified, capable people - doctors, lawyers, economists, engineers
This is a fallacy. You're thinking of jobs that earn a lot of money and supposing those people might be good at running a country but that's not really how it works.
Someone who is a specialist in one area will have spent years studying that area but that doesn't mean they know anything about other areas at all or have good judgement. For an MP you want more of an all rounder, someone who has general knowledge but is prepared to listen to experts along with their constituents. You want someone humble enough to realise when they don't know enough and someone willing to find out.
She could be Midas and still find a way to piss it all away
She announced she is stepping down as well today. Good riddance
Theresa May is stepping down. Liz Truss sadly remains although we’ll see what the general election brings.
If her constituents vote for her again then they need to check for lead in the water.
Oh that's just disappointing boo ruining Friday
that's a lot of lettuce
This is the best summary I could come up with:
As revealed in a freedom of information response to the Labour Party, British taxpayers paid more than £1,400 per head for 12 government officials on a single trip to Australia.
A spokesperson for Ms Truss told The Independent: “Liz had many responsibilities as foreign secretary, but it ought to be self-evident that organising the in-flight catering on overseas trips was not among them.”
The Mail on Sunday reported last year that Ms Truss was contesting a £12,000 government bill relating to her use of the grace-and-favour country house at the Chevening estate that she had access to as foreign secretary.
Leaked correspondence, revealed by The Sunday Times, disclosed that Ms Truss in 2022 had requested taxpayers’ cash for a £3,000 lunch at a private club owned by a Tory donor, overruling her officials’ advice to go somewhere more suitable.
The freedom of information data released on Thursday also showed the in-flight catering bill for Ms Truss’ predecessor Dominic Raab came to £6,215 during a trip to Indonesia and Brunei in April 2021, and £7,625 for a visit to Singapore, Vietnam and Cambodia in June of that year.
A government spokesperson said: “The figures shown represent the end-to-end cost of providing in-flight catering, including transport, on-boarding/off-boarding, preparation, disposal in line with adherence to international waste management regulations, and the required equipment for these processes.
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