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Boeing: Last Week Tonight (youtu.be)

submitted 6 months ago by flango@lemmy.eco.br to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people would actively refuse to fly on a 737 MAX in the future.

The design of the MAX was flawed to begin with. Essentially, the Boeing 737, designed in the 1960s,could not compete with the newer A320Neo on fuel efficiency due to Airbus redesigning the A320 around the much larger, state of the art CFM LEAP engines (Neo stands for "New Engine Option"), Boeing choose to jerryrig the CFM LEAP engines on their existing 737 airframe instead of redesigning another plane around the engine.

Now, since the engine is oversized with respect to the airframe, the newly christened 737 MAX has a tendency to tip upward due to too much lift when flying. Boeing opted to correct this in software by having the plane automatically correct its flight by tipping downward if it senses the plane was tipping up, which they called the MCAS. And of course, since one of the selling point of the 737 MAX Boeing promised was that no additional training was needed for the 737 MAX, the pilots did not know about MCAS, much less have a way to have a manual override for it.

So what if the sensors made a mistake and tipped downward when it's not supposed to, you ask? We found out in 2018.

It is not something that is fixable barring a grounds up redesign. But that's not going to happen.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At this point I'm not flying on any Boeing if I can help it. There's no way to know how recently it was made or refurbished and anything that Boeing touched in the last few years is suspect.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I work in the world of planes, my rule for the 737 family. Is anything in the older NG family is fine. They were designed and built long enough ago for Boeing's current issues to not be a problem. Plus they have seen enough maintenance with the airlines that they would have found any just in case. So that would be any 737-900/800/700/600

As for the Max family nope, I wouldn't fly it. For a number of reasons, but mostly the engines are in the wrong spot and nothing they do can change that. That will be any 737-7/8/9/10 with the 10 still delayed. You may or may not see the word MAX in the name.

The quick and easy way to tell them apart is to look at the engines. The Max ones are larger and have a sawtooth edge on rear cowling

As for other Boeing planes currently flying. Basically everything else is an older legacy model except the 787.

TLDR stay away from the 737 Max everything else is fine.

[–] smort@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So if I were looking to fly with this in mind, you have any suggestions on finding flights on Airbus or older Boeing planes? I.E. is there a flight search site where you can specify? Or at least where it shows the plane on the search results page?

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

So the easiest is to just fly on an airline that doesn't have Max planes. Like easyjet, frontier, wizz, Delta, British Air, and Air France are all airlines I know don't have Max planes. I have heard some travel sites tell you the model of planes for a flight and may even let you sort by model. If nothing else you can look a plane up by its tail number. Often you will find that listed some were in the info about a flight.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why is Boeing even still operating after 737 max, Alaskan airlines, tax avoidance?

[–] exu@feditown.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're the only other big plane manufacurer beside Airbus and being the only remaining US based one, probably important for national defense as well.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Fucking nationalize them then. And prosecute their senior management.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Textbook case of late stage capitalism and a resounding success for Boeing's major shareholders.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

The ceo of Boeing was the ceo of my bosses last company. He cut every corner possible, took his paycheck and ran right before the company nose dived into the ground.

Now that he’s CEO of Boeing he did the one thing he set out to do. Get the Max series in the air so he can get his fat paycheck. Hopefully nothing literally nose dives this time.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My uncle repaired airplanes for a living. I have never flown as an adult and I hopefully never will. Somethings I just can't unlearn. When he first started things were great, but by the time he retired it was a shitshow of cutting corners on replacement parts and who knows what else.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Commercial flying remains the safest way to travel, and it continues to get safer. That's not to minimise your reluctance to fly. I get it: if something goes wrong it's 99.9% sure you're going to die, and know about it long enough for your last moments to be horrifying. But the facts is the facts and the facts is that you're way more likely to die on a bicycle journey.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Since this is lemmy and not tiktok, anyone has a short description? There are reasons i can't play it.

[–] BillMurray@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Boeing used to be a company that put safety and quality first, they revolutionized plane travel with the 737. But recently Boeing has put share price ahead of safety and decided to move their corporate office from Seattle, where the planes are built and engineering is done, to Boston (edit: Chicago, not Boston). Why? Because executives heard that successful companies have corporate offices in a separate location. Then the merger with McDonnell Douglas, who has a horrible track record just made Boeing's quality slide even further. Boeing now parcels out work to subcontractors who subcontract even further and there is no oversight or quality control on the components. This results in "door plugs" missing bolts or having bolts that were not tightened properly on the 737 max.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

TL;Dr Boeing got ate up internally from the failed company they had acquired, becoming a little bitch to a bunch of cocaine addled wall street ninkompoops, who had to be acquired because they made flying death traps, who eventually made Boeing make and sell flying death traps.

It's the circle of capitalism.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Are we talking about the time McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money?