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The Xbox retail version of Baldur’s Gate 3 will indeed have 4 discs, since we’re 500mb over the limit for 3. Only option would have been to cut some content out but that didn’t make sense... (twitter.com)
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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

It'd be cool if, ya know, digital releases came with transferable, irrevocable licenses, and the freedom to create your own physical backups for your games without needing to "check in".

But we won't get that. We'll never even get close to that.

So in lieu of that, we have to stick with the discs, because that's the last distribution method where there were proper consumer protections in place.

We're stuck with this dated format and it's low storage space because these businesses have utterly refused to provide us the same benefits in the digital space as we got from the discs, and the trade-off for the convenience is unacceptable.

[–] gears@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

"Cartridges" which are just SD cards in reality are a thing

[–] Zeroxxx@lemmy.id 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I do not own Xbox ever, how does disc media work if you do not connect the console to always-on internet presumably for patches?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

But we won’t get that. We’ll never even get close to that.

Not for money, anyway.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

BG3 is available DRM-free on PC. I'd say that's better than any sense of security offered by physical media.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Physical games should just be read only ssd or similar at this point. Maybe with a writable partition for updates and transferrable saves.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

So a cartridge?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

The economics don't work out - you have remember, optical discs are dirt cheap. Sony barged into the console market by guaranteeing any randos that passed certification could press as many copies as they wanted, with three days of lead time, for a dollar apiece. N64 cartridges cost ten bucks empty and you wouldn't get them for a month.

There is a reason Nintendo Power never had Game Boy demos glued to the front cover.

For Baldur's Gate 3, that third disc might be more expensive than the first two combined, because they have to spend some extra cents on a case with the flappy middle part.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Do you have any idea how much more expensive flash storage is compared to discs? There's a reason cartridge based gaming systems are limited to handheld nowadays. An 8GB switch cartridge costs about as much as a 50GB Bluray, from what I've read. And a 32GB card about 60% more. And the switch cartridges don't exactly use SSD quality NAND chips and controllers, which would be needed for the ever growing need of SSD speeds on current gen hardware.

So unless you're fine with paying double for your games, don't expect them to come on high quality cartridges any time soon, especially if we're talking about games over 100GB, which are getting more and more prominent.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know, Baldur's Gate 1 was on 5 CD-ROM, 6 with the extension.

Of course it was mostly because it was a mess of mostly uncompressed graphics and audio, but still.

If I remember correctly the backgrounds were just fully drawn as huge bitmaps. Several of them for each area too, because they used separate bitmaps to represent collisions too.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I remember how big of a deal FF7 being on 3 discs was.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

On PC Lands of Lore 2 was on 4 discs, about at the same time (1997).

It was a big game, but of course lots of video and fully voice acted dialogue mostly explained the need for all those.

Most of the human/human-shaped characters were actors in FMW, often directly green-screened over the 3D environment. It was quite a surprise, I had never seen live action FMV used in a "real" game that's not some sort of point and click.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 8 months ago

I really miss live action scenes in video games. Wing Commander, Command & Conquer, Myst, Crusader: No Remorse, etc. The production value on some of these games, even the random as fuck ones that nobody really played was pretty good. It would be better today with UHD resolution for the videos and not the grainy shit we had in the 90's.

[–] mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Given the history of the series, I find this to be pretty endearing. I have fond memories of playing the multi-disc Baldurs Gate 1 on PC as a child. It's kinda fun to see that today's gamers will have a similar experience with the same series nearly 30 years later.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

As of Xbox One/PS4, all disc games are fully installed to the HDD/SSD, so you'll most likely have to sit through a lengthy install process. Not sure how fast the drive is, but it's probably 6x, meaning a theoretical 27 MB/s read speed, which in reality is probably averaging more like 20 MB/s. So the installation will likely take more than two hours.

[–] Poiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

It'll not be swapped during gameplay, but upon installation. RDR2 was similar.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I have never played that but I thought that it would be fairly small.

Doesn't Xbox use what's essentially 4k Blu-ray's for games? Those Blu-ray's have a pretty big capacity.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 5 points 8 months ago

My PC install is 145GB, probably less on console but still quite large

[–] ares35@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

surely they could have shaved-off 500 megabytes out of... what? 150 gigabytes... of game content and media just from better compression or optimization of those files.