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Can I just rant a little to you all?

I've tried numerous times to help people from reddit set up an account and get started on Kbin (and lemmy), but 4 out of 5 times people can't seem to grasp the concept of registering an account and starting to use this platform. Even breaking it down into 2 steps, with direct links... They get angry, and then ragequit their attempt in a huff saying how it's too fucking complicated and it will never take off because it's so hard.

Ok, I get that the fediverse is complicated if you think deeply about all the interconnectivity and federation etc, but there is no reason you even have to think about any of it to create an account and get started. Like, at all.

It reminds me so much of my 70/y old mother-in-law not immediately knowing how to work a tv remote and shoving it at me after 1.5 seconds saying "here, I can't figure this out". When in reality all she had to do was press the fucking big red button...

I'm just so frustrated with people's complete lack of ability to help themselves.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Back in my day we had to walk uphill both ways to sign up for BBS forums. Kids these days.

[–] EquipLordBritish@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I just made an account and started browsing the threads. Easy. I still have absolutely no idea how any of this works. The info diagram that was posted around a week or two ago was not very helpful.

[–] wet_lettuce@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

My hot take: I'm okay with a barrier to entry (right now).

Getting setup on the fediverse isn't necessarily a super simple process and there is a bit of learning curve for how it works.

That's okay. I actually like it. Here's why.

It means the people here want to be here. It means the people here understand what it is and more importantly what it isn't. It's not a reddit clone. It's not even old school forums. It's this.

And "this" isn't even it's final form. I fully expect for the fediverse to evolve over the next few months and years. As a community develops and the technology is refined, I am sure it will all get simpler as we knock off the rough edges.

In the mean time, this tiny barrier to entry keeps a lot of the whiners and naysayers away. It keeps people that only want a reddit clone, away. If you want reddit, use reddit. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

It's a balancing act, because we don't want to turn so many people away that we can't build a reasonable community, but you also don't want a bad copy of a system people are leaving.

[–] PeriaptGames@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Anyone got a good tutorial to share for folks who want to jump?

[–] MuskX@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I don't properly understand how all of this works.

But signing up to kbin on the weekend was just like signing up for anything else online.

And once I did, replying to posts - like this one - was more or less the same as replying on any other discussion forum.

So....I don't get it, what's so hard? Do you really need to understand the technical details underneath to start using this place?

That said, I would like to grasp this whole thing a little better. But I figured the best way to do that is to jump straight in and go from there! :)

[–] redsky@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hear you. People have very little pain/change tolerance. Humans want things easy the first time. Those who stick around the fediverse have higher pain tolerance. They are more cognitively flexible. They are principled. There's a short time of adjustment that one has to tolerate.

I'm thankful for all those who have the strength to say "NO" to the likes of /spez. It's a small thing but it shows some determination and character.

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[–] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So, please explain me, how can I search for subreddits(magazines , communities) that can be on different servers?

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go to the magazines page, search for something like "gaming"

The ones that end with an @ followed by a URL are on different servers. Have fun.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, I searched for “philosophy”. It shows some magazines on other servers, but it does not show, for example, philosophy@lemmy.world. And I know it exists with more threads than here on kbin.social and comparable amount of subscribers. If I search on lemmy.world, then it does find philosophy@kbin.social, but shows just one subscriber.

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[–] AtomicPurple@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're likely already seeing and interacting with them, but it's not obvious most of the time. I recommend installing the Kbin enhancement script in your browser. It has an option to always show what instance communities and users originate from. Makes the site much easier to navigate IMO.

[–] VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has an option to always show what instance communities and users originate from.

If the concept of federation is confusing or daunting why would having it be more visible help? Genuine question.

Sign up, browse stuff, comment on stuff, curate your feed by subbing, all the other details are just noise.

Caveat: Unless you're on a small instance that isn't aware of the communities you might want. But let's face it, if the concept of federation is confusing you you probably didn't join some micro instance hosted by your mate Joe.

[–] AtomicPurple@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because otherwise you end up with multiple copies of communities all sharing the same name with no clear distinction. It also adds context to any comments that are discussing things like site bugs, or are using conventions common to other platforms like Mastodon that translate strangely to Kbin.
Also it's just kinda cool seeing what servers other people are from.

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[–] finthechat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few weeks ago my neighbor (a nice older woman in her 60s) asked me to fix her TV. I walked into her living room and pushed the power button on the remote.

Sometimes it do be like that.

[–] sab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Other times nice old women are just lonely and make you do random things for company.

[–] yunggwailo@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would rather they just ask me to hang out lol

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok, I get that the fediverse is complicated if you think deeply about all the interconnectivity and federation etc, but there is no reason you even have to think about any of it

you must be kidding. there is no reason to think about that?

to find communities/magazines you have to use some 3rd party tools (you may be lucky and see something in the "all" feed, but that is not guaranteed), then when you find it, you can't just click subscribe, you have to grab the url, go back to another tab where you are logged into your instance and subscribe by manually constructing the url, or pasting the url somewhere (maybe, haven't tried that way).

don't take me wrong, i am fan of open source, which is why i am here, but if you don't see how this is complicated for average non-tech-savy user, then i am not sure what to tell you.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I don't see how it's hard for a non-tech-savvy user to use. The actual usage is near-identical to reddit. Pretty much the only hurdle in that regard is trying to subscribe to magazines on other instances that haven't been synced yet. Other than that? It works the same as reddit. If you think kbin is too hard, how tf were you using reddit?

[–] atocci@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using 3rd party tools I don't understand, I just use the magazine search bar in Kbin itself. Searching for a term works just fine to get me to any magazines or communities I want to subscribe too, and I've found replacements for any subreddit I've cared to look for so far.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

and does that search through lemmy communities as well? because lemmy search definitely doesn't return kbin results. and i am not even sure if it returns 100% of lemmy results, it is hard to verify that :D

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[–] McBinary@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must be a different experience on lemmy. On kbin I only need to click on a post and the magazine/community is listed in the sidebar - I only need to click the subscribe button.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is this so hard for people?

One thing I want people to leave behind when they unplug from reddit is the clickbait titles:

"Look what my sister just did!"

"Was it really so simple?"

"I should have seen it coming [wholesome]"

Surprise titles are the worst. They really make me feel that the author is just using the tool as his toy. There will be thousands of people like you, what do you think will happen when all the titles will look like yours?

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[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people don't really want to move off Reddit. They might see how shitty spez is being, but moving off Reddit will be a big shake up to their online life. So any excuse they can find to stay on Reddit is something they will latch on to. "It's too complicated" is a good one, because there's some truth to it, and it's pretty subjective anyway, so it's hard to argue with.

Fortunately, there is a small percent of people who embrace new things like the Fediverse, especially if there is good reason to overcome some of the obstacles and make it work. Without those people, we would end up stuck.

Trying to help people move over is a good thing, but it's not worth getting frustrated with them if they find reasons not to do it. In my view, we're seeing the end of the current era of the internet (where corporate social media dominates), and moving into a new one (where decentralisation wins out). The people stuck on Reddit will realise this one day, just maybe not today.

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[–] Shortcake@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you want those people who can't even make an account here anyway? Lol
In all seriousness, SSO is a thing and maybe the devs are already looking into it. Google, Facebook. Git, and more all have ways to sign in to services for you. I wouldn't vote to use them given the ideals of why people are moving to these platforms, but if someone wants to use their apple account to sign in here and that makes it easy for them. I'd be happy for it's implementation.

[–] McBinary@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess that is the silver-lining, we can weed out people that wouldn't be able to contribute anyway. It's just maddening that there are even people like that out there. I kind of gave up on helping people bridge the gap from reddit to here.

[–] Shortcake@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I think the basics of posting a few links and then leaving it at that is good enough. Eventually it will get easier and we will get more users, best to not overload the servers now anyway

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