I always disliked RCS, I kept telling people it's a walled garden, mainly controlled by Google
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Jibe, maybe. RCS is just a telecom spec, like SMS and VoLTE are. If your carrier bothered to implement RCS, you can just use one of the alternative RCS apps (which won't have Google's proprietary encryption, of course)
Even so you'd think they'd want to get as many people as possible on board with RCS to increase adoption, not fewer.
Then what they're doing tells us all we need to know.
Google wants to control what data they can glean from RCS users.
I agree. You're much better off just using Signal. It's not federated/decentralized, but all client apps, the protocol and the server code are completely open source and anyone can fork the project. It also works on every platform, its encryption protocol is the most secure one out there and it's been around for over 10 years. They also recently added some cool new privacy features.
This seems to match the standard, at least for RCS payments (something Google may be working on?):
The device OEM should ensure any RCS client is not modified since it was released, e.g. using integrity checks. The service provider and MNO could potentially rely on such assurance from the OEM. For example, the RCS client should not be running on a device that has ‘root access’ or is ‘jailbroken’.
How very unfortunate.
We really need to move away from the idea that a user having control over his/her device is insecure.
I can use online banking and paypal with windows logged in as administrator or GNU/Linux logged in as root[0], why shouldn't I be able to use google ~~wallet~~ ~~pay~~ wallet with root?
[0] yes I know you shouldn't log in as root, but that doesn't change that you can do it.
"why shouldn't I be able to use google wallet pay wallet with root?" Because little innocent Google won't be able to build their advertising profile of you. Can't have that!
No my friend, our overloads have decided that you shouldn't have control over your desktop either.
Does rooting your device make you the root user or just gives you access to superuser utilities?
In linux systems the root user shouldn't be used for daily use, you just make an user account with permission to use sudo, doas or su.
If you root your phone, at least with most tools, you don't become the root user. Apps that use root access have to request it, and you'll have to allow it in the root tool you flashed.
Example pop-up from SuperSU:
So google is lying about rooted devices, they seem as secure as an OEM letting an user sideload apps or google themselves letting malware apps inside their store
I'm not even rooted and gpay keeps breaking on crdroid for me, despite passing safetynet. I've given up and just got another credit card that I can use with my garmin watch that works every time without the hassle.
The problem with root access is that malware uses root access to take funds out of Google Wallets and banking apps. They're not protecting you, they're protecting themselves from having to pay their users their money back for losing all of their savings to TotallyLegitWhatsAppUpdatev0.1alpha.apk.zip.
I must be missing something. How would Google be at all liable for restoring funds stolen by software that they themselves didn't furnish, on a device that's out of their control?
Tried installing the most recent WhatsApp update but it's failing. I think a virus is blocking the update, better try again with secure browsing off...
The standard seems to be complete and utter garbage. It was garbage from the very beginning, which is why I never understood why people were getting so incredibly hyped up about RCS support.
Good standard you have there. Good features are proprietary to Google and you can't use it while rooted.
Lmao
Every day I am attracted more and more by PinePhone. At least as a secondary device, at first.
Perhaps it's not even close to polished yet with existing distributions, but at least it isn't made to be shitty.
Does the Pinephone have RCS these days?
No. I genuinely doubt it ever will... Huge pinephone stan here but I don't see it happening. And before you make the purchase.... Please be sure you know what you're getting into... I'm so sick and tired of folks popping in the chat rooms asking how to install android. We're actually dealing with a lot of spam lately due to a clearly butt hurt person...
Seems like a decently attractive option. I wish more apps were/had PWA alternatives and I'd be good
I don't know why, but that a sad news :/
Good news.
The more people they keep from using this garbage "standard", the better.
It still requires a phone number. It still falls back to SMS, it still fails, a LOT - just see the comments in this thread.
It's 20 years too late.
XMPP was better, in 2010, than RCS is today. I was using XMPP on my phone in 2010, messaging people on computers, seamlessly. Without a phone number. On multiple services using Pidgin.
No thanks, I don't want this garbage called RCS.
I was wondering why RCS just stopped working the other day
I don't get the RCS hype. I already have apps for rich messaging and RCS offers nothing for me over those apps. What I do appreciate is SMS, which is posed to be killed-off by RCS. I can rely on SMS even when there is no data signal, can't say that for RCS. I wish I had a way to permanently disable RCS on my Pixel 6a, instead I have to keep rejecting the 'upgrade to RCS' dialog.
Can't you just disable RCS in the Google Messages app and use a different messenger? You can just change the default SMS app to one that doesn't do RCS (which is almost all of them).
Edit:
I can rely on SMS even when there is no data signal, can’t say that for RCS.
The RCS Universal Profile Service Definition Document has the following to say about that:
Users in many cases switch cellular data usage off locally on their device. To allow the MNO to offer IR 92 / IR 94 and RCS services to their users even in these use cases, the data off switch shall have an MNO configurable impact on the device connectivity. It shall be up to the individual MNO to ensure a good Operator service experience by the end user in cases that allow IP service usage even if the data switch was set to ’off’ by the end user.
"MNO" refers to the cellular network operator you have a subscription with.
Of course, this requirement cannot be satisfied if you use a random internet server (such as Google's) for RCS, rather than your carrier's. This is a problem with Google's servers, RCS itself was designed to operate even if you have data disabled. 4G and later are completely packet-based, so there is no "no data signal" situation, just "terrible reception and slow data rates" without fallback to 3G (if your area still has 3G providers) or 2G (if you enjoy the security risk of leaving 2G support enabled).
The hype is because America won't switch to Internet messaging by default and only wants one app to message with. So SMS is the only primary option for that. Meaning lower resolution media, and a lack of modern features like read receipts and typing indicators.
My husband and I were having an issue yesterday sending an RCS message, they were never getting delivered. They ended up being sent via SMS. It cleared up after an hour or so