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[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Does anybody know about a Linux distro that enforces strong firewall rules (that's one of the control points of that linux distro security assessment) by default? I mean other than Tails which I expect does it. RFI vuln, such as log4shell, rely on outgoing connections. A linux distro with a strict firewall by default would have to be purposely poked to let such queries out. Sounds interesting to me.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Why not post in Linux Mint community.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

MOD COMMENT: To clarify, !linux@lemmy.ml does not have restrictions on distro specific content. Although I personally would encourage users to post or crosspost in more specialised communities if for no other reason than to help those communities get more traffic, it's by no means mandatory. In fact, I usually encourage people to cross post to more than one relevant community, we have a cross post button and automatic identification and clustering of crossposts for that reason.

Also: I'm not removing any comments for now. But I will remind everyone that being civil and respectful are official rules on this instance.

[–] erpicht@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My thoughts as soon as I read it. Not sure why you got downvoted for suggesting to post this in the proper community.

[–] Lunacy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really off-topic, but i love your profile pic.

[–] erpicht@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you! I found it on this royalty free stock photo site: pexels.com. I often use photos from the site as desktop backgrounds because of the high resolutions available. Here is my profile pic, which is by a user called swagoren, who has other similarly beautiful photos!

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Because XCLI and seb want to defend their position here, instead of admitting they are wrong and put it into correct communities they down-vote instead.

If everyone now starts posts Distro specific articles into Linux, we can close other Communities now and make a mess out of Linux here.

IMHO Distro specific reviews belong into their own communities, they also should get a chance to get news.

[–] erpicht@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm willing to give seb the benefit of the doubt here, as it's entirely possible that seb is unaware of the Mint community, since only a handful of distributions have their own communities. News about distributions without communities does tend to get lumped here.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
  • We have a search, first hit reveals Linux Mint.
  • He even tried to defend this, contradicting himself. Pretending this has meaning for others than Linux Mint users, while original author clearly states Linux Mint Review.
  • Defending this make things worse now, the article is not that good anyway, no one here talks about the article here proving me right. Installing a Firewall Gui at best belongs into Linux Guides. Besides that, lots of Distros come with iptables or even a gui preinstalled. There is not really something substantial you gain from the review, since it is highly subjective.
[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I posted that link in my company chat, where some do use Mint but most don't (mix of Ubuntu, Manjaro, Fedora). Many were interested, and we have had a healthy discussion about some of the evaluation points, some of which we did find subjective and not very meaningful, and how Mint compared with the other distro evaluation linked at the top of the article.

Also, you are talking about firewall GUI, but it is not even one of the evaluation points. They just said that there was nothing about a firewall configuration in the configuration wizard.

Linux Mint does ask the user to enable the firewall in the graphical Welcome Wizard though.

However the evaluation points were:

[N] Is the host firewall enabled by default?

[N] Does the host firewall block all incoming/ingress traffic by default?

[N] Does the host firewall filter outgoing/egress traffic by default?

Did you actually read the article? I doubt it. If you did, you would have noticed that the article does mention the methodology, and the results for other distros, with link to them if need be. Someone using yet another distro could be interested in that methodology to improve it or post a review about their favorite distro too. Maybe that is not "Linux enough" for you. In that case, you can move on.

Thank you.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I posted that link in my company chat, where some do use Mint but most don’t (mix of Ubuntu, Manjaro, Fedora). Many were interested, and we have had a healthy discussion about some of the evaluation points, some of which we did find subjective and not very meaningful, and how Mint compared with the other distro evaluation linked at the top of the article.

So you generalize just because what some people said in another chat, okay. Not that we can use this anyway, since this is irrelevant to Lemmy. Also no one here talks about the review, we are talking about your intolerance accepting valid criticism. Instead of saying, oh hey, sorry I post it into the wrong community you pretend and defend your wrongdoing. The argument you bring here is also irrelevant to the subject since the original author intended that to be a Linux Mint Review. Nothing more. It is clearly stated in the first sentence of the article.

Also, you are talking about firewall GUI...

It was an example that was mentioned in the Review.

Did you actually read the article? I doubt it. If you did, you would have noticed that the article does mention the methodology, and the results for other distros, with link to them if need be.

Weak argument. The article is still about Linux Mint and not intended for something else, you just want it to be for something else and generalize everything now to justify your weak and flawed logic.

Maybe that is not “Linux enough” for you. In that case, you can move on.

It is a REVIEW ABOUT LINUX MINT. Again it is not intended to be a general statement about other Linxu distros. Please stop wrongfully interpret more into it, it does not work in other distros. Just because one statement maybe fits for other distros does it make it useful to share in the wrong community.

Accept that you are wrong, defending your wrong arguments makes it worse for you, the more you answer the easier it is to humiliate you.

[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Accept that you are wrong, defending your wrong arguments makes it worse for you, the more you answer the easier it is to humiliate you.

I take note of your explicit intent of humiliating me.

I also take note of your condescending tone:

  • we are talking about your intolerance accepting valid criticism

  • Weak argument.

  • to justify your weak and flawed logic.

  • Please stop wrongfully interpret more into it

Yelling at people, threatening them, humiliating them is not a civil conduct, and hereby ask for a moderation team intervention for violation of rule 2.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
  • I do not yell, this is entirely wrong. I said humiliating, which you do all by yourself. Some people just do not know when to give up, is your lesson here.
  • You provide no argument or at best weak arguments. The argument ... oh, but it mention xyz is simply weak and supports my argument that we can close all other Communities if we support such doings.
  • Why you resist in supporting smaller Communities is beyond anything. Still no answer. There never will be an answer, because the reason you post it in here is because more people are in here, that is all. Maybe an attempt pushing Linux Mint.
  • Instead of just apologizing that you post it in the wrong community you provide excuses at best.

Normal dude with backbone would just delete the post and post it into correct Community, I see that as humiliation of your character, as I said incapable of accepting feedback or see the points here.

If you cannot handle criticism, and call everything - not civil conduct - even after proving you wrong, then dunno what else to say other than this is an embarrassment.

[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Considering the post also mentions a generic evaluation methodology, and provides pointers to similar studies on other distros, the stuff may actually be of interest for some people interested in Linux. Maybe not you. I am ok with that. I actually don't care.

BTW, when did you get your mod promotion? I don't see it. Ok bye.

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

generic evaluation methodology,

  • Then close other Communities, and bring this under the same argument. You know it is nonsense what you are talking about.
  • When I and others post here in this community we get the same comments.... post it under xyz. So everyone should be equal here.
  • Not sure what my status has to do with anything here. The title clearly points out Linux Mint. There is nothing to argue, if the same user post other reviews, then post those other reviews in correct Communities, again otherwise we can close them and put everything under here.

I actually don’t care.

Based + I do care, that is why I point your mistake out.

Have a nice day Sir.

[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Then close other Communities, and bring this under the same argument. otherwise we can close them and put everything under here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

When I and others post here in this community we get the same comments… post it under xyz.

So your excuse for bullying people is that you got bullied too.

Not sure what my status has to do with anything here

If a link is not to your liking, you can just skip it, or even downvote it. You don't need to tell people what to do. Except of course if you are a mod and the post is against the rules. Then go ahead and thank you. But no.

Have a nice day as well

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago
  • Does not work on Manjaro, so it is no faulty generalization. It is also irrelevant since the author title explicitly points to Linux Mint and no other distros. He only links to other Distros which he reviewed, he also does not do the same in the same post, so he splits things, and this is how things should handled here.
  • Pointing out things on a normal respectful level has nothing to do with bullying.
  • Has nothing to do what I want, nor do I express my opinion. I just say that we, according to your logic can close other Communities. Now please explain why you just refuse to link it into correct Communities.
[–] X_Cli@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Second line:

I performed the same testing on the following distros:

[–] CHEFKOCH@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah this is when you actually never read the article. If you actually read it you would know that he only links other tests in the LINUX MINT test, which this is about.

Belongs into Linux Mint. Title also already suggest it. This is NOT a common Linux review which applies for all Distros.

No need to downvote the truth.

[–] iocseb@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I did not know that there is a Linux Mint community. Thank you for pointing that out to me.