Vote however you want in the primary, get the tantrums and obstinence out of your system. If you don't vote Biden in the general, you're absolutely complicit.
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Agreed, people's lives are on the line. Republicans have made it very clear they intend to kill more women, lgbtqia people, black people, and other minorities if they regain power.
Name a more iconic duo than centrists and calling progressives children.
You know what would be playing it REALLY safe? Spending this early time trying to convince your MAGA friends and family not to vote Trump in the primary, instead of making hysterical statements about Dems who don't vote in the general.
If avoiding Trump is what you're really concerned about, then wouldn't it be ideal not to have him in the running at all?
If you're calling the righteous indignation that is the response to Biden enabling a genocide a "tantrum", you're doing genocide apologia. If you ever wondered what you'd be doing during the Holocaust, you're doing it right now.
I'm calling refusing to vote for the only candidate in the race standing between us a fascist dictatorship because his politics don't perfectly line up with your sensibilities a tantrum, and one which plays games with the future of American democracy.
If you have problems with Biden, by all means vote someone else in the primary. If you don't show up to vote for him in November, you're holding the door open for fascism, just as surely as the most dyed in the wool MAGA idiot.
Again, if you have more contempt for the people protesting the genocide than the ones perpetrating it, you're doing genocide apologia. If you're spending more time bitching about righteous protests, maybe you should ask yourself why.
Biden could make it very easy to vote for him. The anger and protests didn't come from nowhere. If he fails at his job so poorly that other left-leaning people don't want to vote for him, that's on him, not the voters.
I have contempt for anyone refusing to stand up to fascism because the person who can stop it doesn't perfectly fit their political views. Biden already has made it very easy to vote for him - he's not Donald Trump. If that's not enough for you, you're part of the problem.
I have contempt for anyone refusing to stand up to fascism
And yet... you're out here playing defense for a perpetrator of genocide who is currently licking the boot of the leader of a fascist ethnostate. The problem is weak-willed liberals that make it easy for fascists.
No, there is one fascist threatening to take power in the United States, and you're offering support for him by attacking the one person who can stand in his way. You think Trump will be any better for the people of Palestine? Neither of the two candidates for president are going to waver in supporting Israel, using that a an excuse to not vote for Biden in the general is disingenuous and makes you as complicit as any other MAGA supporter.
If "attacking" means supporting anti-genocide protests, then sure, buddy. Imagine being okay with genocide.
Obviously Trump will be as bad or worse for the Palestinians. The problem is that Biden is the one doing it now, when there is this much at stake. Ignoring the whole "Biden is doing a genocide" thing, which you shouldn't, he's making it difficult for people to want to turn up to vote for him. That is entirely his fault. As it turns out, people don't like genocide. Too fucking bad.
Also, I like how fascism, as long as it's outside of the US, is totally fine with you.
Biden is not "doing a genocide" that pure bullshit. At most, he's enabling a genocide by supporting Israel, something American presidents have done since ever since Israel became a nation. You bitch and moan all you like, I couldn't care less. You vote for Biden in the general, or you're complicit in fascism. Again, vote how you like in the primaries, get it all out of your system, but come November, it's time to put on your big kid pants and vote for the one person who can stop a fascist takeover here in America. If you're not willing to turn out for Biden then, it's entirely on you, and you're as guilty as those who vote for him.
Thanks for confirming that you're a proud genocide defender.
I guess we'll see how doing nothing but defending genocide until the general elections turns out. Surely it'll have a better outcome than acknowledging the fact that enabling genocide (and thereby, doing genocide) is not acceptable and having Biden change course on that. I'm not confident that defending genocide will win people that are anti-genocide or otherwise apathetic to voting over.
I'm defending the only option standing between us and a fascist taking power in America. You're over here making false equivalencies to attack him.
Are you going to vote for Biden in the general? Yes or no, it should be an easy question to answer.
You're defending genocide, and anyone that isn't in favor of the genocide can see that. We're going in circles, which, I think, might be representative of the broader strategy of telling people to "suck it up, the genocide is the best we're going to get", so I'll leave you to ponder that.
Still haven't answered the question, I notice. Are you voting for Biden in the general, yes or no?
Holy hell. The dumbs are gonna let CheetoPoopyPants back in aren’t they.
They're trying their best. A lot of these folks online are concern trolls, either Republicans or Russian agents posing as concerned leftists to diminish support for Biden in an effort to get Trump elected, it's the same playbook as the last couple elections. Some of them though are idiots playing right into their hands.
No, actually I'm going to blame Israel, and specifically Netanyahu and his settler and genocidal fans.
Biden is between a rock and a hard place, no answer he chooses is actually ideal. That just happens sometimes in real life, which is not always easy. Sometimes every answer has some bad consequences.
I fail to see how Israel or Netanyahu has any leverage over the USA to simply not veto a UN resolution that all other Western countries either support or abstain on.
A US vote against (without veto) or an abstention is entirely within his power to do.
Also, sidestepping Congress to deliver military aid to Israel is also not something that can be blamed on anyone else than Biden.
I blame Israel because they're the ones doing the killing. People like to point at us "enabling them", and don't get me wrong, I do not approve of the weapon shipments anymore. However, I am aware that if we cut them off, or if we passed the UN resolutions, the killing would not stop.
You do not need thousand pound bombs and 155mm artillery ammo to kill civilians, there are many, many ways to do that, most being even more brutal and indiscriminate.
The UN resolutions so far have been empty words. They "call for" a ceasefire, without actually putting anything in place to force one. Netanyahu is not going to listen to UN finger-wagging, so these would decrease what little leverage we have over Netanyahu without stopping the killing.
All the proposed "solutions" so far would simply remove US culpability, we would be less guilty. However, they would not actually save Gazan lives. Only an actual, enforced cease fire can do that. For that, you have to convince Netanyahu to stop. Somehow. Any ideas on how to actually do that?
Biden chose to increase money and weapons to Israel, he is to blame. It's time to abandon anyone advancing war.
What's the takeaway if Biden does really well here?
Same takeaway I have with every election: I’m surrounded and ruled by maniacs who do not share my values.
Single issue voters are the worst type of voters and show a massive misunderstanding of politics and in this case a massive misunderstanding of how global politics work. These same people would be pissed if we abandoned Israel and every Muslim nation genocide Israel. They would be protesting biden for not helping Israel. They also keep saying biden gave weapons without congress which isn't true, he authorized sales of weapons to Israel,key word SALES. Israel bought weapons from us, he also did the same with Ukraine by asking a different country to buy weapons from the US as long as their old weapons went to Ukraine without congress. Is what's happening awful but it's hardly bidens fault it doesn't stop.
Nope, If we end up in a Christian fascist theocracy I will blame the people who didn't vote biden