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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The military industrial complex needed some new juice after the US left Afghanistan. Those businesses can't scale back and the defense budget can't be reduced, no, never.

Biden may not be a genocidal maniac, but he is a warmonger. I'm hoping his presidency will get people to realize that the Democratic party desires war just as much as Republicans, but that doesn't look like it's happening

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

About 30% of it is the end of the world cult that believes that for Jesus to come back to take them Israel must exist.

The rest is just the usual reasons they love bombing the middle east.

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[–] gun@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Because history is never the result of good or bad intentions, as much as propaganda would try and convince you otherwise

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As a US citizen, I really wish we wouldn't. I know a lot of us are against it too.

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

It'll all make a lot more sense in a few years, when the Lord Jesus Christ descends from the clouds to collect his chosen. Let's just say you'll be pretty glad we killed all those Palestinian kids then. It's pretty basic foreign policy stuff, if you read your Bible.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Your wit was lost on someone, but I give you +1

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

The same reason Russia and North Korea are supporting Palestine.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If it looks like a genocidal maniac, and it quacks like a genocidal maniac...

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Racism.

You can see that by how American politicians go on and on about Israel being a "Jewish Nation", a characteristic that is wholly unimportant unless ones is a racist.

Since WWII and what was done to millions of Jewish people because of their etnicity (and not only them: there is this "strange" forgetfulness that for example people were also being exterminated for having the Roma etnicity) by the German racists that, even though the racism itself never died, Jews became "one of us" for the racists in many countries with a predominant white majority (in other words, they're considered just another kind of "white").

Israel itself seems to have invested a lot into portraying itself as a "Western Nation" to further entrench and capitalize on that "one of us" perception in Western nations,

Palestinians, on the other hand are seen by the racists as "muslims" and as some call it "brown people", with quite a lot of nasty prejudices associated with both characteristics.

For the racists this is an "people like us" vs "them" fight, hence why even very overt and extreme racist statement of the Israelis like calling Palestinians "human animals" don't shock them (they're pretty much aligned with the racists' prejudices about "muslims" and "non-whites") and hence too the vastly different reaction from how the invasion of Ukraine by Russia was seen, since that one from a racist point of view was "people like us" vs "people like us".

This, by the way, also explains Germany's behaviour on this: the Nazis might have been kicked out of power there but that very "special" way of looking at other human beings as primarily members of an etnicity and "like us" or "not like us" has never left, so Israel gets unwavering support no matter what and that's very overtly stated as because "they're the Jewish Nation" (notice how it's people etnicity that determines if support is given).

[–] Icalasari@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is how the Jewish were treated by all countries in WWII. Going against Israel gives the opposing party ammunition that only works due to most people not understanding the politics at play

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The history of the conflict is pretty complicated. As far as US support goes, the US can utilize Israel and wars as a destabilizing force in middle east which is beneficial to the Military Industrial Complex, and influence in the region with Hard/Soft Power. Reductively, because of Money and Power.

Following Israel’s stunning victory and occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, Washington concluded that Arab nations had moved into the Soviet camp and so increased weapons sales to the Jewish state, including Phantom jet fighters.

Initially as an anti Soviet position under LBJ

Military support for Israel solidified under the Reagan administration which also began a more vigorous diplomatic defence of Israel – particularly shielding it from criticism at the United Nations.

And especially to sell weapons under Reagan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/16/why-israel-allies-explainer

The US has been supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestine since the 1967 war and the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and that position has led to the US supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza today.

Biden is also a strong Zionist, so... There's that too

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Politics baby

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 2 points 7 months ago

To fund the military industrial complex.

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