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Cited NYT article here for those who have access and would like more details: An Inside Job https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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[–] Granite@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

We all know they did, but being able to prove it is paramount.

[–] what@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm going to need more than "trust me bro".

Not trying to Iraq WMDs 2.0

[–] racer983@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Reuters article is a little light on what's included. Wanted to post a free article anyone could access. Lots of good information, multiple lines of evidence, and interesting soviet history of the dam in the actual article Reuters is citing.

[–] TychoOrdo@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] racer983@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks! I'll remember that trick for next time

[–] TychoOrdo@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Works on a lot of news sites. I think they let web crawlers get the full text in order to improve their search ranking, however it also lets in crawlers with other purposes like archiving.

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is an obnoxious bait-and-switch. They make a false dichotomy out of "Either Russia did it or it was an accident" and then correctly disprove it being an accident while not establishing any particular reason beyond Russia also having the plans for the dam to establish it was Russia who did it in their own held territory and not Ukraine. It's exactly as miserable a level of journalism as one has come to expect of the NYT.

Incidentally, here's an article from a few months ago about the Ukrainian military's contingency to blow up the dam and seemingly already inflicting a little bit of damage to test being able to destroy it more completely. Does this prove that Ukraine did it? Of course not, but there is a burden of proof to establishing one side probably did it and OP's article does not even conceive of reaching that burden of proof in the case of Russia being the culprit.