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When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also the usual pattern (seen in many countries/empires, not just USA) - since civil war war-profiting (closely related to the two parties & why the switch happened) the industry was always hungry and in need of a good loosing-ish war (or - only short periods without a war).

It always follows the same pattern --> need for profits/power expenditure rises --> if public is (fuded) on board, great, if not, we need a terrorist-like attack, seemingly unpreventable yet utterly publicly show before it happened.

Like in WWII, USA had stakes on both sides, but also not 'as big' of a military budget as they could have. The problem was that the public was super against entering the conflict (80~90% against, this is the time when the civil war was well within lining memory with soldiers and widows on proper military pensionsv still alive, regular parades, etc). So for the first time ever they decide to put all their ship-eggs in one Pearl-basket & advertise that move a lott, how they did that, where they did that (how much time they are gonna wait there, lul), and what defenses are there, how the seamen were sent home etc. All under the disguise of showing their military power to Japan (that's like exposing your balls to an enemy that is already attacking you). Ofc the attack successfully happened, propaganda machine spun up (still today we get movies about that, 'the horror'), the public option switched over night and politicians could hike the military budget substantially. (Movies that we don't get is about what/how USA did to japan - like how they killed more civilians with regular carpet bombing per day compared to the killed in blasts of atomic bombs - the most destructive single air attack in human history ... and USA dropped about 4× as much bombs total in Vietnam)

The same with 9-11, public is anti war, you have the two towers and movies detailing how easy it would be to crash a plane into specifically the towers. Or Vietnam proxy war, which lasted for so long that the public turned back against it (hippies) and government had to demonize them (the ridiculous anti weed laws/enforcement, "satanism", etc).

Funding and assisting a foreign terrorist group for profit is shockingly common. Sometimes you even have to manufacture a new group because the existing don't suit your needs.

Oh, and the atrocities compared are always like x killed in domestic attack, xxxxxx killed in the foreign bombarding campaign. When public opinion isn't that big of an issue a smaller trigger point is needed - usually USA sends literal military personnel into sovereign foreign countries & when the invaded county returns fire in the invading force USA counts that as an act of war (huh, I guess technically that is correct).

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Because critical thinking never intersects with conspiracy theories.

[–] Supervivens@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mean prob because although it wasn’t done directly by the gov they had plenty of warning and did nothing.

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[–] DepthCharge@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Operation Northwoods

Wtc7 a building not hit by a plane collapsed. With there being a video of the leaseholder saying they brought it down on purpose because it was badly damaged. Controlled demolition takes weeks of planning.

Plus the BBC reported on wtc7 collapsing too early, the building was still visible in reporters background

It is the only day in history that 3 steel buildings collapsed because of fire

Firefighters reported explosions going off in the basement just before the plane hit the building

Reports of pools of melting iron which allegedly can only be caused by thermite. Thermite would also be the reason why there was so much dust

The Pentagon; no good footage of the plane hitting. All the camera footage of surrounding business have been confiscated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

https://www.facebook.com/rallyforjustice/videos/wtc-owner-larry-silverstein-gave-order-to-pull-building-7/1313503455744806/&ved=2ahUKEwjgpeCxsqqEAxXs9wIHHRVgDdcQo7QBegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2RmpBAKFmsL8MRumJ8Un3H

https://benthamopen.com/DOWNLOAD-PDF/TOCPJ-2-7/&ved=2ahUKEwi7xo3QsaqEAxUJ7AIHHYKSCZgQFnoECC0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0-5vVgUAuvoyabZ6icDfJ_

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Reports of pools of melting iron which allegedly can only be caused by thermite.

You can only melt iron with thermite? What?!

Thermite would also be the reason why there was so much dust

Yeah, why else would there be dust...around a gigantic building that collapsed.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

For those who actually believe in these theories or are uninformed about them, consider reading this, which is backed up by sourcing and debunks every common 9/11 theory. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

"Controlled demolitions take weeks of planning" because under normal circumstances, the risk of waiting is not that high. That doesn't mean that subject matter experts aren't capable of making an intelligent plan in a short period when a building is catastrophically damaged in heavily populated area where waiting can very easily result in more damage and more risk of casualties.

As for "melting iron", if you're talking eyewitnesses before the demolition, they have no idea what was melted. If you're talking after, no shit they used demolition-grade explosives. It was a fucking skyscraper in the middle of a massively populated city that wasn't stable. It had to come down.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reading all the comments here, I think that it is wild that anything other than what the US says is a ‘conspiracy theory’, what I can gather from this is that no one probably has any concrete idea about who was responsible, so there might be different views, but apparently any other view other than what the US tells you is a ‘conspiracy theory’

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[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The mainstream conspiracy theory is that the US knew about it but allowed it to happen for a reason to pass more restrictions like the Patriot Act. One fact we do know is that the CIA was actively still trying to recruit and turn one of the terrorists on one of the planes. So we have proof that the CIA knew about it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

We know that the majority of pilots were Saudi citizens

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/11/september-11-saudi-arabia/

There's more, but the CIA connection shows we knew about it before it happened.

My personal "hmmm" moment was how well the towers fell, almost as if they were controlled demoloshed, but I admit ignorance on the subject.

[–] PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

but I admit ignorance on the subject.

Good, because if you actually watch footage and look at the impact zone, they didn't fall so well, "almost as if they were controlled demolished". It's something you can only believe if you refuse to actually spend more than 5 seconds looking into it.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

It's something you can only believe if you refuse to actually spend more than 5 seconds looking into it.

You hit the nail right on the head there. They seem to confusecritical thinking with reading a conspiracy theory and immediately accepting it as fact

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[–] blazera@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

For me its Tower 7 falling. Nothing hit it.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sometimes there’s enough ambiguity around an event that any attempted exact reconstruction will likely be wrong in some details. Some people can’t accept that ambiguity, and take the lack of a single, definitively-proven version as evidence that the “real” version was suppressed.

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