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Unless you're white it wouldn't be great going too far back in time.

And we have no idea how dystopian the future might be so you don't want to get locked up and have to work in some Amazon prison warehouse.

So, going back or forward in time like Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol would probably be ideal.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well this explains why people believed in ghosts back in the day more than they do now.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Whereas in the modern era, we document so much that there's less of a reason to come visit?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 10 months ago
[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Also who wants to visit now? Now sucks.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unless you're white it wouldn't be great going too far back in time.

White guy turns on time machine. Lands in feudal Japan. Isn't Tom Cruise. Has bad time.

[–] knock_knock_orange@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Ha! Good point! Allow me to edit my post title:

A time machine that allows you to travel as Tom Cruise...

[–] alvaro@social.graves.cl 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@knock_knock_orange@lemmy.world that would be great because it would avoid paradoxes like you killing your grandpa

[–] rollmagma@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and scaring the shit out of grandpa doesn't alter the timeline, as you know.

[–] alvaro@social.graves.cl 7 points 10 months ago

@rollmagma@lemmy.world maybe you are an invisible ghost

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or becoming your own grandpa

[–] alvaro@social.graves.cl 1 points 10 months ago

@DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world isn’t that a futura a episode?

[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How am I supposed to become my own grandfather if I'm a ghost?

[–] knock_knock_orange@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let me introduce you to a film called The Entity

The 1982 film stars Barbara Hershey as a single mother in Los Angeles who is raped and tormented by a ghost.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Or Ghost. Where Patrick Swayze is a sexy ghost who gives it to Demi Moore while Whoopie Goldberg watches.

I think, It's been a while since I've seen it.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you travel to the future, are you still involved with the timeline or removed between the points of travel? This could have a major change in the timeline.

If you are involved, you may now inadvertently screw up the sequence of events just by knowing the future.

If you are removed, you now have to kill yourself as fast as possible while hiding your body to have minimal effect on to life or the environment. A lava pit might work.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 6 points 10 months ago

If you are removed, you now have to kill yourself as fast as possible while hiding your body to have minimal effect on to life or the environment. A lava pit might work.

Or spend the rest of your life time-travelling

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is time a physical space that you can ‘travel’ through, I have heard all about those fancy space-time continuums or something like that but I want someone to explain this to my smol brain.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sort of. You're already doing it at this moment.

Einstein showed that time is not a separate space, but is actually the same as any other dimension. However, we have not found any way to reverse our direction so far. We can only choose a direction to move forward in. In fact, you're doing so when you get in a car; you're experiencing a minor change in how you're moving through time relative to those around you.

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It actually goes further than that. In spacetime you're always going the same speed, the more in space, less in time.

At least from the special relativity perspective.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Really? Am I then going the speed of light in time?

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not quite, the true invariant quantity is the magnitude of the spacetime 4 vector, which depends on rest mass.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-momentum

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have to say, when I had it explained to me that everyone and everything was always moving at "c" and moving the vector more toward dimensions in space bled momentum from the momentum in time. It made a lot of things just make sense that previously did not.

Since you seem to know a bit about this, one thing always puzzled me. It would appear to me that there's not really an "at rest" state in terms of movement in space. We're on a planet orbiting a sun that orbits the central point of our galaxy, which in turn is also moving and perhaps orbiting something else even bigger. So, "at rest" is always subjective.

With that understanding, when we're not moving from our point of view, we're travelling through time at "c". But in reality, it's probably some lower value. Perhaps "0.8c" when viewed from the universe as a whole. But, that's fine because we're ALL moving at 0.8c through time, so who cares. But the twin paradox says if a twin travels away at a high speed then returns, they would have aged less. Bearing in mind all of the above, that makes sense, except for the general galactic movement.

Whatever is influencing us, there must be a 3d vector in space we, as a whole, are moving toward (probably constantly changing though). So, surely if you sent someone in the opposite of that vector, time for them would actually speed up rather than slow down. In fact, if you sent them exactly on that vector (and they followed any changes in 3d vector in real time) then returned. Would they not "catch up" and be on part overall with time passing?

Likewise, sending them on another vector would have the effect described by relativity, but there would be a skew from what is expected because the actual total vector would also be influenced by the speed we were already moving in another direction?

We wouldn't see this skew on satellites and the like because they're travelling with us on that vector but at a constant speed relative to us too. But sending away from us and back, we probably would. Or, am I again misunderstanding things on a fundamental level?

I waste too much time thinking about such weird things, I know.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

It would appear to me that there's not really an "at rest" state in terms of movement in space. We're on a planet orbiting a sun that orbits the central point of our galaxy, which in turn is also moving and perhaps orbiting something else even bigger. So, "at rest" is always subjective.

Correct, that's classical relativity, from before the notion of spacetime even existed.

But the twin paradox says if a twin travels away at a high speed then returns, they would have aged less.

It depends on who does the acceleration. Acceleration is key for the twin experiment, and the reason it works is because they are the one accelerating and decelerating. This requires "general" relativity to make sense, it can't be explained by merely special relativity.

Whatever is influencing us, there must be a 3d vector in space we, as a whole, are moving toward (probably constantly changing though). So, surely if you sent someone in the opposite of that vector, time for them would actually speed up rather than slow down.

I don't get what you mean here... which 3d vector are you referring to, and why should it exist? One of the important concept is that every reference frame is equally valid.

Would they not "catch up" and be on part overall with time passing?

From one pov the earth sped up, instead of the twin's spaceship slowing down. These are both valid interpretations. You can always catch up by doing the opposite of what you did before, but you need to look at acceleration for it to make sense. Acceleration is what turns your 4d vector so your reference frame changes, and you can sort of arbitrarily change "passing of time" if you can induce unlimited acceleration.

We wouldn't see this skew on satellites and the like because they're travelling with us on that vector but at a constant speed relative to us too. But sending away from us and back, we probably would.

I feel like you're rediscovering the idea of an "aether" which was disproven by Lorentz and Einstein.


Note that I'm not a physicist, just someone who loves staying up to date with modern physics!

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 10 months ago

I'm traveling through time right now!

Time is like space in that it can be distorted by gravity. If you get close enough to a black hole, then your perception of time will change compared to people on the outside. I don't know why this is, it's just a thing I know.

Also, as you move faster then your perception of time slows down. For example, if you went in a rocket at a good chunk of the speed of light then returned, you'd only experience one year passing but people left behind on earth would experience two years passing. You would both be objectively correct because the time actually moves at different rates (it's not just a perception change in your brain). This is proven to work with GPS satellites. They move fast enough in orbit that their clocks slow down ever so slightly, and this needs to be accounted for so that we can have accurate positioning.

An analogy to understand this is to imagine a race across the desert. The finish line is 100m north of the start line. Two racers who move at the exact same speed are competing and set off at the same time. One person heads directly north, while the other one heads north-east. Who would get to the finish faster? Obviously the one who went directly north. Why? The other person wasted some of their travel on going slightly east. Now think of that same analogy with movement in time being north and movement in space being east. The faster you travel in space, the more of your movement through time is being "wasted", so time slows down for you

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

If i could time travel as a ghost I would go back and Crusher OP's mom.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

If you've ever watched the old or modern versions of Quantum Leap you know the routine: a "leaper" is time traveling by temporarily taking over the body of someone in the past, while another person from the traveler's own time is supporting them remotely as a projected hologram only the time traveler can see and hear. The hologram can't touch anything or communicate with anyone except the leaper in the past, but can zap around the past like a ghost to experience events without affecting anything directly.

I've always thought that if you invented the hologram part of the Quantum Leap time travel scheme, you wouldn't need the actual bodyswap time traveler part at all. You'd already have the safest possible form of time travel! You could remotely visit the past in hologram VR without accidentally stepping on a butterfly, changing winners of wars, dating your own mom, or otherwise screwing up the timeline in all the ways in which time travel scifi portrays. You could safely be an invisible time tourist from home all you wanted.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How would you interact to travel back to the present as a ghost?

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago

Not OP, but the controller for the time machine could be a ghost with you. Just like the spirits with Scrooge.