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“Its a horrific situation,” said Siri Martinsen, chief executive of Noah, an animal rights group that is challenging Norway’s wolf hunts in its courts. “Norway’s wolf management is out of control and they are just shooting wolves because some people don’t like them. It is outrageous to hold a species at a critically endangered level.”

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is what happens when people buy into the logical fallacy that humans are rightfully above all other animals. There are ways of managing wolves without killing them, always have. Not to mention that ecologists all agree that native large predators are really important for the health of natural ecosystems, and much more ecological damage and as a result economic loss occurs when you eliminate them.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Agree 100%. They even explicitly say this is an initiative by some carnist companies to protect their livestock capital:

The primary concern for managing large carnivores in Norway is to maintain livestock grazing, with as few losses as possible. Furthermore, husbandry also contributes to common goods like cultural landscapes and biological diversity.

[–] masu@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

It's the same perspective that's been used throughout the US to justify culling historically, and is used to spearhead movements to reintroduce wolf populations. Luckily the US has been rather successful at reintroducing wolves, but it is very location specific due to the politics of it all.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

Also don't forget that most countries have programs which reimburse the people who lose livestock to wolves, so they aren't even losing money, they just hate the wolf

[–] mekhos@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wow, normally I'm a bit sceptical about people getting upset about population control, but they only have 51 animals in the whole of Norway and they plan to kill 60% WTF!! Leave the poor buggers alone.

[–] atomicshrimp@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What happened to the title of 'man's best friend'?

[–] mekhos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

It was allocated to domesticated descendants of the Wolf that have been living with humans for thousands of years.

[–] gleam@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

... horrifying.

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We leave the territory to the wolves or we take it. Top predators do not coexist (?)

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even ignoring the ethics fallacy, you're also wrong from an ecological perspective.

Bears and wolves exist stably in the same territory and frequently interact, competing for the same prey. So do lions and leopards. Polar bears and orcas as well, though to a lesser extent.

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

You are right ...it's more of a personal preference : don't want to coexist (up close) with a feral predator, which happened to be in a bad mood that day ! A bit off topic, i know.