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Every population follows a standard, normal distribution curve. At the tips of this curve are the trailblazers (who left and came to lemmy) and the opposite side who feel as passionate about staying as we did about leaving.
Now that weβve moved the 3 rd standard deviation off of Reddit, the curve has shifted and the opposite deviation is amplified.
This is to be expected when you have a population-level shift in any observed population. :)
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I'm not trying to nay say or poopoo you, but the best course of action is to stop talking about/worrying about/focusing on Reddit. A wise friend once said "you'll never get over your ex if you're constantly checking on and talking/thinking about your ex."
This type of post essentially functions as a reddit stand-in for you to discuss reddit while not on reddit. That, in and of itself, is kind of self affirming for reddit. Example - you're posting this asking if anyone feels the same as you, however, by even asking it, you're also enabling people to read it and think "gee, maybe they're right and we should just cave and accept".
Instead of this type of post, focus on developing the new community you've joined. Get over your ex by moving on and focusing on the future, not thinking about what they're doing or living in the past.
Cheers
Has this wise friend of yours been talking to my ex? Did they mention me?
Where were they at when you saw them? Were they with anyone? Did they look happy?
The best joke is always in the comments something something
There is a distribution bias. The people commenting are the people who didn't leave. Those that did might not have come back, or are not checking regularly.
This. I'm not posting on reddit anymore. I haven't even loaded RiF except to see if my post history is showing so I can edit all traces of my presence there.
Most of us wildly underestimate the number of our peer accounts that are corporate shill bots.
I've moved on. Lemmy is where it's at. I only post on reddit to promote lemmy now :-) It's my new game. Polite and respectful suggestion of an alternative. But, it's better to just be here, get to know people, figure out how it works and enjoy the learning experience
hear hear!
i LOVE it here. I was just in reddit then, for old times sake, after reading this thread ;-) and the anger and negativity is real. It's SO good here. This is like the old days of the net, with modern tech. I LOVE it
Same! I am posting a polite comment when appropriate about the fediverse and Lemmy explaining how it works and responding to respecful comments/questions. There are some vicious people in the replies but I just report and don't engage.
Lemmy is great! Let's gooooooo!
"Most" people are going to be annoyed, more than anything. While extremely tech-savvy, my brother isn't an avid Redditor... only ends up there for one or two niche things or when a Google search gets him there. All of a sudden he can't get there and doesn't really understand why. Even reading the various synopsis doesn't make it particularly clear to a newcomer. Once I explained what was going on an answered a few questions he got it, but he's still irritated by the fact that he knows there an answer behind that locked sub that he needs.
Those of us who have arrived thus far are not "most people".
I believe R/datahoarder was working overtime to back up everything. The amount of knowledge stored on reddit on all sorts of topics is very valuable. It's a shame to let it die if Reddit ever goes bankrupt.
Those guys are exactly the kinds of people who should be on the fediverse, honestly. Running a Lemmy instance, even not participating but just letting it accumulate.
I believe there's already a datahoarder community on lemmy. Hopefully more will come.
It was a mistake (though natural) to trust Reddit with all that knowledge in the first place.
The last few days I have been learning specific things about my hobby. Of course, when googling questions the answer is on Reddit as the top result. So from am outsiders perspective the blackout was annoying.
Keep 2 things in mind
/r/conservative assholes are running amuck across all of reddit at the moment.
And, Reddit has been known to astroturf comments in the past and I 100% guarantee that they are probably working on that to some extent right now.
Why would /r/conservative support killing third-party apps though? I don't really see the connection.
If people generally to the left support something they automatically oppose it, and a lot of the big leftist and liberal sites were the first ones on this blackout train.
Like this isn't being mean, they'll admit they do that. They're proud of it.
Probably because they are less conservative and more ... Contrarian?
Yeah, I guess they just want to "pwn the libs" by being made to use the awful first party app and have all the adverts etc.
I think the decentralised nature of lemmy, kbin etc. is much more in line with the libertarian ideals that some of the right have though.
What you're realising here is right wing libertarianism isn't real, it's an excuse to allow people to do horrible things to eachother. They're still very happy to ban things they don't like.
They view protesters against suthoritarian moves as whiny liberals, so they will always take the opposite position - and like it.
They see "take charge" and "fuck you" activities as real turn one, they don't even stop to assess what is happening. They get raging boners over it.
100% guarantee ... probably ... to some extent
Hedging your bet there I see. :-)
I think what's jarring is the contrast with how relatively nice everyone's being over here, while Reddit hasn't changed. I had a quick look back at some reopened subs but I don't have much of a desire to go back right now.
Also, this was never really about the APIs specifically for me, that brought it to a head, but really it's all about the way Reddit has been heading for the last few years. A lot of people who are back don't seem to appreciate that.
There were reports reddit was using bots to influence the conversation
I would not put it past them. They tried banning accounts promoting alternatives.
I think now it's just a matter of building up the alternatives. The blackout was enough of a push for me to find and explore this place, and many of my regular subs look set on staying private, so I'm hoping that means more people will be looking around, especially once it lasts through the weekend.
I mean, I can understand some people not supporting the blackouts (not the third-party api fiasco)- Reddit is an info powerhouse, some subs going dark means some info won't be accessable, which for important subs, can be a problem (I know not all the subs went dark and some health-critical ones are up btw) alternatively, maybe some people just don't want to see Reddit die, not for corporation reasons, but maybe due to certain sentimental reasons- in which case Lemmy is still the spiritual successor of Reddit, the good part atleast- and we can say that Reddit is already "dead", as in, it no longer is the Reddit as it is known anymore, unless if they like the modern day extra-consumerist hivemind Reddit, in which case, it is better we let them enjoy themselves...
you gotta remember that the constant consumption of media is similar in many respects to addiction - people need their media back, preferably in an easy to swallow pill. the vast majority of the reddit userbase is unwilling to search for other methods/platforms to satiate that desire.
I guess i didnβt think it would be this bad. Like in one of my favorite subs, some of the user base is turning on the moderators, who have been excellent and have developed the community from nothing. Itβs just unbelievable to see some of them turn that quickly.
It doesn't need to be this bad. People are inherently capable of ugly, self-destructive behaviors like this.
But it's ultimately a reaction to an environment which is profoundly inhumane. Although these people are physically unharmed, they have been mentally disfigured by the mechanical claws of corporations, manipulating their needs and desires in order to extract wealth. They are not themselves. And thus I pity them, because I have also done ugly things as a result of pressures applied to me by our resident corporate overlords. They know not what they do.
Some people are actually just assholes though. But not that many. Most are being led by the mob rn.
I have witnessed these bad responses on different soccer-related threads as well. They all behave like junkies who really need their fix of reddit desperately that they get toxic against those who protest and dare to take their precious fix away. A bunch of "no one cares, trust me bro"-responses, mods get attacked for having too much power. It's sad really how addicted they are to reddit. I personally hope most, if not all the subs that went dark will do so indefinitely. Might be good for the mental health of those who are dramatically addicted as well.
βNo one cares, trust me broββ¦until their dealer (corporate Reddit) decides to start charging for their fix, or else nukes their favorite subreddit to make the whole place more investor-friendly. Then, it will be βHOW DARE THEY???β
Yeah, it's embarrassing how shortsighted these people are. Reddit will be an absolute mess riddled with ads in the near future, especially when they force mobile browser users into the app and I would not put it past Spez to disallow adblockers being used on their website as well. Then you get spammed with ads unless you buy Reddit premium, which surely will rise in price as well. And then it will be too late to protest. So silly to not see the direction that reddit is taking and to complain about protests now.
Most of us have been seeing it for years but failed attempts like voat were discouraging. The type of users they decided to alienate this time was their greatest error. Don't fuck with the mods and the app devs lmao... that's why this exodus is like the absolute opposite of voat.
It was almost like learned helplessness.
This is a huge problem on reddit as a whole, IMO. The whole website is chock-full of doomers, cynics, and pessimists who are quick to say why every piece of good news is bad, actually, why every attempt at change is doomed to fail, why there's no hope for anyone anywhere trying to do anything, and we should all just lie down and wait for the sweet release of death. It's universal, across almost all the big subs, regardless of subject matter.
I'm not sure why reddit ended up that way, but it was both exhausting and depressing. That doomer shit is contagious, spend too much time immersed in it and you catch yourself thinking that way too. And, well, it's just sad to see everyone around you being sad.
One thing I'm loving about Lemmy / KBin so far is that it's not like that. Maybe it's just because they're still small and new, but people seem less nihilistic here. Not polyanna-ish toxic-positivity optimistic either. Just... normal. It's so refreshing. God, I hope this place stays this way!
One reason for that might be that the users who do care and support(ed) the black-out are not back on Reddit. At least fewer of them than of the users that don't give a damn.
I actually logged in just to vote yes on the subreddit polls asking to extend the blackout, and... yeah. It manifested as acknowledging that a 2-day blackout wasn't going to do anything, and after that they would continue to argue that we shouldn't proceed.
